Hi John, Roulette wheels are technically deterministic. I know with your "cuckoo clocks or roulette wheels" aphorism you're trying to make things as simple as possible, but that is potentially confusing.
Terren On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:49 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > >> >> Science, or at least theoretical physics, is all about explaining >> physical laws in terms of other more general laws. Either this process goes >> on forever like a infinitely nested Russian doll, or it does not go on >> forever and come to a end and some things are just fundamental and it is >> pointless when you reach that level to ask "what is it made of?". >> >> >> > Indeed. But some stop at elementary particles, or strings, >> > > One step at a time! At this point it would be pretty silly to worry about > what strings are made of when we have almost no evidence that they even > exist. Right now it can explain almost nothing we see so there is no such > thing as string theory, there is only the striving for a string theory; > when and if theorists succeed in building something useful out of it then > we can talk about what if anything strings are made of. > > > With comp (the idea that we are machine), >> > > By "machine" I assume you mean a deterministic process. Well you're a > logician so you know we either are or we are not, and if we are not then we > are by definition random. Like it or not its a question of cuckoo clocks or > roulette wheels. > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.