On 10 Sep 2013, at 17:35, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:55 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
>>> I do not like very much Feyerabend, and disgaree with its
overal philosophy of science, I do agree with him on Galileo.
>> OK so let me get this straight, you agree that "the church at the
time of Galileo was much more faithful to reason than Galileo
> I did not say that. Nor did Feyerabend.
Bruno you are incorrect, Feyerabend did say "the church at the time
of Galileo was much more faithful to reason than Galileo himself",
and he also said "Its verdict against Galileo was rational and just":
Bruno, is this really the sort of toothless hillbilly you want to be
John, I can't access to that page. My point was just that the verdict
against Galileo was rational, or Popperian.
>> Blinded? BLINDED!? Were talking about Galileo and the church but
it's Galileo who was blinded!?
> Yes, he was blinded by its Aristotelian faith
Aristotelian faith!? Galileo was the guy who proved that Aristotle
was the worst physicist who ever lived!
Aristotle was refuted, but this is usual in science. It does not make
him bad, on the contrary.
And I thought this list was supposed to be about cutting edge
developments in human knowledge, so why the hell do we keep talking
about ancient Greeks who (with the important exception of Greek
mathematicians) didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground?
As long as we don't progress in the mind body problem, we cannot
decide between plato and Aristotle's conception of reality.
By Aristotelian I just mean the theories which assume an ontological
By Platonist theories I mean the theories which do not assume a
physical universe and which try to explain the appearance of it from
We have progressed, we know that IF we are machine, then there is no
primitive physical universe such that we can use it to explain the
physical laws. We have to explain the physical laws from internal
arithmetical modalities. It seems to work up to now.
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