On 20 Sep 2013, at 22:06, meekerdb wrote:

A book that presents Bohm's QM sympathetically is "Quantum Mechanics" by James T. Cushing.


Note that the book by David Albert, "Quantum Mechanics", which introduces very well QM, including Everett, is also quite sympathetic with Bohm's theory. He consecrates a large and final part, and develop some interesting idea. But he does not convince me.

Bruno



Brent

On 9/20/2013 1:00 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Dear Russell,
the Peat book seems to be on the physicist's side, just as the Hiley-book (posthumus D.Bohm co-authored) which even pictures DB close to his 1952 image when his idea started to eliminate the differences of QM and Relativity...
I have a - sort of - high level science-reportage:  by Reneé Weber:
"Dialogues with Scientists and Sages" (Arkana, 1986) with a reasonable chapter with Bohm - also his references towards Krishnamurti and others. I cannot activate my old computer's stuff on a discussion list stuff called: 'Friends of David Bohm' (early 90s) with lots of details of his stuff.

My idea was the connection to Bishop Nicolaus de Cusa's 3 part world (implicare, explicare, complicare - where I figured the 3rd one as math) base for his protegé: Copernicus, saving the latter from the Inquisition -
the way I deduced it from "Wholeness...", a tortuous 2 decade path.
I think the 'Explicate Order' is our physical-world figment, while from the 'Implicate' I erased the 'Order' in my mind: no knowledge about that part so to speak. An 'order' would be exaggerated.

After changing into a (similarly heretic?) Rosenite, the Bohm details faded.
My agnostic views give me the peace of mind in an extended "I dunno".
I have a vague idea how to figure the infinity of the complexity (the one(?) beyond our conventional science 'model' of the world) - but only in terms of our knowable items - no hint how the 'beyond model' may be structured (if at all) and of what kind elements.

John M




On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:41 AM, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au > wrote:
I've just been reading a book that I procured at a school fete called
"Science, Order and Creativity", by David Bohm and David Peat.

I had read "Wholeness and the implicate order" in my youth, which on
the whole was confusing and unsatisfying. In many ways, this book is
too. Yet, I can't quite shake the feeling when reading that there must
be some connection between Bohm's implicate order and Hofstaedter's
strange loops, and so that he might be onto something important for an
understanding of creativity and consciousness. But his books leave me
unsatisfied and hungry. For one thing, there is too little contact
with the mathematics of QM.

Does anyone know of a good introduction to Bohm's ideas? It's clear I'm
not going to get it from Bohm himself.

Cheers

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