I have a profound respect to Dawkins, but why should I believe him? Why would you restrict the 'genes' to those (physical worldly - conventional scientific) measurements that show a 'match' to the 'parents' similarly superficially mapped genes? All 'networks' go infinite with branching further and further into more and more aspects (the "genes" not exempted) - it is a likely (human?) vision of the infinite complexity we have only a small glimpse of. Your distinction: can something "be alive" without life? Then my question stands. Could you describe 'being alive' without the concept of 'life'? "Mules don't constitute life" - no, mules constitute animals - a transition between a horse and an ass. Both rife with life - except for the progeny? JM
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 2:57 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 9/23/2013 11:49 AM, John Mikes wrote: > > Brent - REPRODUCTION???? - in our 'biology' there is only one strain that > reproduces: the prokaryotes by mitosis. In most(?) heterosex procreation > you take TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES and by combining some products of them you > CREATE a third one, not identical to any of the "procreating" parents. > Biologist friends were surprised, but finally agreed. > > > Dawkins would point out that it's genes that get reproduced. > > > There was ONE smartAlec who changed my topic to 'reproduction of the > SPECIES' - which is fine, as long as we know much enough of the details of > that 'specie' - what we usually don't. (Cf: drug-resistence of microbes). > "For an alien all humans are identical, even many animal kinds included." > I would not deny the Robert Rosen characteristics-cryterion: his M & R > the Metabolism and Repair. I don't find it a definitive description, but > in most cases it works fine as "main" attribute. > Reproduction? no way. A mule is alive. > > > Did you miss that I was making a distinction between 'life' (as in 'Is > there life on Mars?') and 'being alive'. Sure a mule is alive. But mules > don't constitute life. > > Brent > > > JohnM > > > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, September 23, 2013 12:45:00 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> For 'life', in contrast to 'being alive', I'd add reproduction. That's >>> the real defining >>> characteristic of life. >>> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.