On 10/2/2013 2:06 PM, John Mikes wrote:

*/"/*/But no matter how smart I make it, it won't experience lust."/
1. "lust" is not the universal criterion that makes us human, it is only one of our humanly circumscribed paraphernalia we apply in HUMAN thinking and HUMAN complexity with HUMAN language.

I don't think so. I think it's a qualia experienced by sexually reproducing species. My dog seems to experience it when in the presence of a receptive female.

But of course I picked lust, just because it's not something a robot, that doesn't reproduce sexually, and might not reproduce at all, would need to have.

Can you apply a similar criterion for the robot in 'it's' characteristics?

I think that the robot could feel some qualia analogous to humans, e.g. frustration, fear, too cold, too hot, tired,...

2. A N D if _YOU _ cannot make it 'smarter', is that a general statement?

?? I didn't state that I cannot make it smarter.


John M

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 1:15 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

    On 10/1/2013 9:56 PM, Pierz wrote:

        Yes, I understand that to be Chalmer's main point. Although, if the 
qualia can
        be different, it does present issues - how much and in what way can it 

    Yes, that's a question that interests me because I want to be able to build
    intelligent machines and so I need to know what qualia they will have, if 
any.  I
    think it will depend on their sensors and on their values/goals.  If I 
build a very
    intelligent Mars Rover, capable of learning and reasoning, with a goal of
    discovering whether there was once life on Mars; then I expect it will 
    pleasure in finding evidence regarding this.  But no matter how smart I 
make it, it
    won't experience lust.

        I'm curious what the literature has to say about that. And if 
        means reproducing more than the mere functional output of a system, if 
        potentially means replication down to the elementary particles and 
        their quantum entanglements, then duplication becomes impossible, not 
        technically but in principle. That seems against the whole point of
        functionalism - as the idea of "function" is reduced to something almost

    I think functionalism must be confined to the classical functions, 
discounting the
    quantum level effects.  But it must include some behavior that is almost 
    internal - e.g. planning, imagining.  Excluding quantum entanglements isn't
    arbitrary; there cannot have been any evolution of goals and values based 
on quantum
    entanglement (beyond the statistical effects that produce decoherence and
    quasi-classical behavior).


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