On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 10:26 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In the meantime, the corporates are doing their best to enslave world via
> the internet...
>
> http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/298-185/20253-focus-were-about-to-lose-net-neutrality-and-the-internet-as-we-know-it

Net neutrality has already been broken in all sorts of ways, I wonder
if it ever really existed. ISP will throttle you tube traffic, for
example, and not necessarily for nefarious reasons. The idea of
traffic shaping is very old, and one of its main purposes is to be
able to crate trade-offs between latency and bandwidth. For example,
if you are downloading a file you might prefer larger packages being
delivered with higher latency, while on a chat window you prefer low
latency and don't care so much about the size of the payload.

Of course, the monopolistic ISPs will abuse this power if given the
chance, but note that part of the reason they are so monopolistic is
that all communication channels are tightly regulated to prevent
competition, the most glaring example being the radio spectrum. I
believe it would now be perfectly feasible to create wide range
wireless networks, and this could be extended by balloon networks and
other things. But legislation prevents this. In many countries, it's
even illegal to openly share you own wi-fi connection -- the main
reason appearing to be that the government really wants to know the
identity of all nodes in the network.

By far, the largest adversaries to Internet freedom are organisations
funded by our own tax money. Not only do they compromise our privacy,
they compromise the integrity of the medium, by weakening cryptography
on purpose.

Telmo.

> On 6 November 2013 02:24, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
>> <multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Regarding government totalitarianism in Nazi terms: Carl Schmitt
>> > reasoned
>> > that corporations have the potential to become "states". If the
>> > government
>> > doesn't keep their authority in check, they will enslave people and
>> > government through market influence.
>>
>> I have some hope that technology will soon enable a new type of
>> corporation that isn't really a power structure. It has been suggested
>> that BitCoin is, in fact, already such a thing. BitCoin is out of the
>> control of its creators, while at the same time having rewarded them
>> for their invention. And it's growing. This could be extended to all
>> things. For example, a decentralised network could connect patients
>> and health care providers in a free market of 1-to1 interactions,
>> propagate trust and reputation and so on. It could even allow for the
>> petition and providing of pro-bono work. The beauty of this sort of
>> thing is that it self-regulates: there's no CEO, no management, no
>> power struggles.
>>
>> > We're perhaps still running "dominance over reason" pretty much
>> > everywhere
>> > in the traditional colonial style... A few months ago the similarity of
>> > foundations and of legal justifications for exceptional powers ("state
>> > of
>> > emergency" Patriot, NDAA, secret Camps, limitless surveillance etc.)
>> > between
>> > international politics to political philosophy driving Nazi Germany
>> > struck
>> > me.
>> >
>> > Carl Schmitt focused a lot of this for the Nazis in his writings. Now, I
>> > am
>> > not equating what is going on today with Germany then; that would be too
>> > quick and simplistic. Even if Wikipedia cannot reflect the nuances of
>> > his
>> > writing in German, it's still worth checking out his "work" section
>> > summary
>> > on Wikipedia and to ask ourselves: how much more civilized have we
>> > become
>> > since then? To what extent, have we really turned a page on this
>> > "dominance
>> > model of hierarchical politics" that the Nazis developed into the 20th
>> > century; and re-branded that as "globalized freedom striving"?
>> >
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Schmitt
>> >
>> > I'm not so sure we completely got rid of Nazi philosophy. I wonder if
>> > John
>> > Clark would consider this a philosophical contribution to the 20th
>> > century,
>> > lol! This philosophy does seem to have "real consequences felt by
>> > everybody". PGC
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:21 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 5 November 2013 17:11, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I would put marxism and fascism close together and not polar
>> >>> opposites.
>> >>> Because Marxists claim that they are for the proles does not really
>> >>> mean
>> >>> that they are. It just means that they try to BS people with this
>> >>> claim. In
>> >>> fact, there are no, non mixed economies anymore, in the us, china, and
>> >>> russia. Its all a two classsystem of rule by party leaders, and their
>> >>> pet
>> >>> billionaires. Cronyism. Marxism killed 40 million people  in China,
>> >>> during
>> >>> the great leap forwards. It was never deliberate, but doing practices
>> >>> that
>> >>> ruined crop growth, by following party eddicts.
>> >>>
>> >> You're conflating the works of Karl Marx with people who paid lip
>> >> service
>> >> to them. Do you uncritically believe that (say) America has a free
>> >> market
>> >> economy because they say so?
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