Not even on the deep net?
On 6 November 2013 16:15, Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> wrote: > According to the Wired article, deep net is the tor system > invented or developed by the govt to be impenetrable > hence NSA's comment that "Tor sucks". > > You can read the Wired article here: > http://www.wired.com/magazine/ > but the last issue is not on the net yet. > Richard > > > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hi Richard, >> >> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > The so-called Deep Net is according to this last issue of Wired is >> > many times bigger than the Internet we all know >> > and apparently almost impenetrable. >> > Perhaps we will all switch >> > to the Deep Net >> > http://www.rogerdavies.com/2011/06/dark-internet/ >> >> Deep net is usually just the name given to the stuff that is not >> crawlable by search engines. So if you have some facebook profile with >> things that are private just to your friends, this is already part of >> the deep net. Online banking is part of the deep net, also the web >> interface to your emails and so on. >> >> Then there are systems build on top of the internet protocols to >> provide strong anonymity and strong point to point encryption. We >> could use this kind of system to exchange private messages, but we can >> also use it in the following way: I create a web page and a lot of >> people read it. Nobody can learn that I am the author of the page and >> I cannot learn the identity of people who visit it. This can even be >> resilient to censorship, because the page I create can be anonymously >> spread through nodes on the net and there is no single point where it >> can be deleted, and no way to intercept my communications and >> determine what to censor. >> >> The most well know system is Tor. A NSA slide contains the comment >> "Tor sucks", so we can assume they are doing something right. There >> are signs that the NSA has been attempting to compromise the Tor >> network, but they don't appear to have been successful. They do >> aggressively store all strongly encrypted data, in the hopes that they >> can decrypt it later with more computational power of some >> breakthrough in cryptography. >> >> You can try Tor very easily by installing the Tor browser: >> >> https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en >> >> Telmo. >> >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:26 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> In the meantime, the corporates are doing their best to enslave world >> via >> >> the internet... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/298-185/20253-focus-were-about-to-lose-net-neutrality-and-the-internet-as-we-know-it >> >> >> >> >> >> On 6 November 2013 02:24, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy >> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> > Regarding government totalitarianism in Nazi terms: Carl Schmitt >> >>> > reasoned >> >>> > that corporations have the potential to become "states". If the >> >>> > government >> >>> > doesn't keep their authority in check, they will enslave people and >> >>> > government through market influence. >> >>> >> >>> I have some hope that technology will soon enable a new type of >> >>> corporation that isn't really a power structure. It has been suggested >> >>> that BitCoin is, in fact, already such a thing. BitCoin is out of the >> >>> control of its creators, while at the same time having rewarded them >> >>> for their invention. And it's growing. This could be extended to all >> >>> things. For example, a decentralised network could connect patients >> >>> and health care providers in a free market of 1-to1 interactions, >> >>> propagate trust and reputation and so on. It could even allow for the >> >>> petition and providing of pro-bono work. The beauty of this sort of >> >>> thing is that it self-regulates: there's no CEO, no management, no >> >>> power struggles. >> >>> >> >>> > We're perhaps still running "dominance over reason" pretty much >> >>> > everywhere >> >>> > in the traditional colonial style... A few months ago the >> similarity of >> >>> > foundations and of legal justifications for exceptional powers >> ("state >> >>> > of >> >>> > emergency" Patriot, NDAA, secret Camps, limitless surveillance etc.) >> >>> > between >> >>> > international politics to political philosophy driving Nazi Germany >> >>> > struck >> >>> > me. >> >>> > >> >>> > Carl Schmitt focused a lot of this for the Nazis in his writings. >> Now, >> >>> > I am >> >>> > not equating what is going on today with Germany then; that would be >> >>> > too >> >>> > quick and simplistic. Even if Wikipedia cannot reflect the nuances >> of >> >>> > his >> >>> > writing in German, it's still worth checking out his "work" section >> >>> > summary >> >>> > on Wikipedia and to ask ourselves: how much more civilized have we >> >>> > become >> >>> > since then? To what extent, have we really turned a page on this >> >>> > "dominance >> >>> > model of hierarchical politics" that the Nazis developed into the >> 20th >> >>> > century; and re-branded that as "globalized freedom striving"? >> >>> > >> >>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Schmitt >> >>> > >> >>> > I'm not so sure we completely got rid of Nazi philosophy. I wonder >> if >> >>> > John >> >>> > Clark would consider this a philosophical contribution to the 20th >> >>> > century, >> >>> > lol! This philosophy does seem to have "real consequences felt by >> >>> > everybody". PGC >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:21 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On 5 November 2013 17:11, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> I would put marxism and fascism close together and not polar >> >>> >>> opposites. >> >>> >>> Because Marxists claim that they are for the proles does not >> really >> >>> >>> mean >> >>> >>> that they are. It just means that they try to BS people with this >> >>> >>> claim. In >> >>> >>> fact, there are no, non mixed economies anymore, in the us, china, >> >>> >>> and >> >>> >>> russia. Its all a two classsystem of rule by party leaders, and >> their >> >>> >>> pet >> >>> >>> billionaires. Cronyism. Marxism killed 40 million people in >> China, >> >>> >>> during >> >>> >>> the great leap forwards. It was never deliberate, but doing >> practices >> >>> >>> that >> >>> >>> ruined crop growth, by following party eddicts. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> You're conflating the works of Karl Marx with people who paid lip >> >>> >> service >> >>> >> to them. 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