Ah yes I've heard of that. Well it's the classic response to prohibition, isn't it, to figuratively go underground?
On 6 November 2013 11:34, Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> wrote: > The so-called Deep Net is according to this last issue of Wired is > many times bigger than the Internet we all know > and apparently almost impenetrable. > Perhaps we will all switch > to the Deep Net > http://www.rogerdavies.com/2011/06/dark-internet/ > > > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:26 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > >> In the meantime, the corporates are doing their best to enslave world via >> the internet... >> >> >> http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/298-185/20253-focus-were-about-to-lose-net-neutrality-and-the-internet-as-we-know-it >> >> >> On 6 November 2013 02:24, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Regarding government totalitarianism in Nazi terms: Carl Schmitt >>> reasoned >>> > that corporations have the potential to become "states". If the >>> government >>> > doesn't keep their authority in check, they will enslave people and >>> > government through market influence. >>> >>> I have some hope that technology will soon enable a new type of >>> corporation that isn't really a power structure. It has been suggested >>> that BitCoin is, in fact, already such a thing. BitCoin is out of the >>> control of its creators, while at the same time having rewarded them >>> for their invention. And it's growing. This could be extended to all >>> things. For example, a decentralised network could connect patients >>> and health care providers in a free market of 1-to1 interactions, >>> propagate trust and reputation and so on. It could even allow for the >>> petition and providing of pro-bono work. The beauty of this sort of >>> thing is that it self-regulates: there's no CEO, no management, no >>> power struggles. >>> >>> > We're perhaps still running "dominance over reason" pretty much >>> everywhere >>> > in the traditional colonial style... A few months ago the similarity of >>> > foundations and of legal justifications for exceptional powers ("state >>> of >>> > emergency" Patriot, NDAA, secret Camps, limitless surveillance etc.) >>> between >>> > international politics to political philosophy driving Nazi Germany >>> struck >>> > me. >>> > >>> > Carl Schmitt focused a lot of this for the Nazis in his writings. Now, >>> I am >>> > not equating what is going on today with Germany then; that would be >>> too >>> > quick and simplistic. Even if Wikipedia cannot reflect the nuances of >>> his >>> > writing in German, it's still worth checking out his "work" section >>> summary >>> > on Wikipedia and to ask ourselves: how much more civilized have we >>> become >>> > since then? To what extent, have we really turned a page on this >>> "dominance >>> > model of hierarchical politics" that the Nazis developed into the 20th >>> > century; and re-branded that as "globalized freedom striving"? >>> > >>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Schmitt >>> > >>> > I'm not so sure we completely got rid of Nazi philosophy. I wonder if >>> John >>> > Clark would consider this a philosophical contribution to the 20th >>> century, >>> > lol! This philosophy does seem to have "real consequences felt by >>> > everybody". PGC >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:21 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> On 5 November 2013 17:11, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I would put marxism and fascism close together and not polar >>> opposites. >>> >>> Because Marxists claim that they are for the proles does not really >>> mean >>> >>> that they are. It just means that they try to BS people with this >>> claim. In >>> >>> fact, there are no, non mixed economies anymore, in the us, china, >>> and >>> >>> russia. Its all a two classsystem of rule by party leaders, and >>> their pet >>> >>> billionaires. Cronyism. Marxism killed 40 million people in China, >>> during >>> >>> the great leap forwards. It was never deliberate, but doing >>> practices that >>> >>> ruined crop growth, by following party eddicts. >>> >>> >>> >> You're conflating the works of Karl Marx with people who paid lip >>> service >>> >> to them. 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