On 11/16/2013 2:37 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
2013/11/14 Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com
> I proposed myself not to argue against sectarian apocalypticists because
> that is a waste of time,
Mentioning apocalyptic narratives is an important point. These are a
fairly common social phenomena across History and they seem to be a
coping mechanism of people who are unhappy with some status quo, and
that also don't understand its complexities. The biblical apocalypse
in the context of the Roman Empire is one example. Another one is the
Illuminati conspiracy theories. They come from people who feel they
got a bad deal from life and initiate this fantasy were the status quo
is evil and it's going to get what's coming.
That is exactly right. but it is necessary to distinguish between passive and active
apocalipticism. The passives do not claim an special knowledge of nature. They believe
in a supernatural phenomenon, and they rest waiting. The active ones believe in a
natural apocalypse and claim an special knowledge of reality, so they reject any critics
and are either open revolutionaries (like the marxists) or have a hidden agenda to
subvert the social order. The core of their motivations are megalomania, pride and will
This is from Voegelin:
The public interest has shifted from the nature of man to the nature of nature and to
the prospects of domination its exploration opened; and the loss of interest even turned
to hatred when the nature of man proved to be resistant to the changes dreamed up by
intellectuals who want to add the lordship of society and history to the mastery of nature.
"Add"? Despotic kings long preceded the Enlightenment and the idea of
And this from Vaklav Klaus, formet Czech president, that know first hand the
ideological predecessors of the eco-alarmists:
A guy who was oppressed by the Communist Part and the Soviet Union two of the *most*
un-environmentalist organizations *ever*, and he want's to blame it on "eco-alarmist"?? It
is to laugh.
The debate on global warming is not about temperatures and CO2 levels. It is an
ideological war between those who want to change us (not the weather) and those who
believe in freedom, markets, human ingenuity and technological progress. Advocates of
climate alarmism ask an unprecedented expansion of government intervention in our lives.
We are being forced to accept rules about how to live, what to do, how to behave, what
to buy, what to eat, how to travel. Is unacceptable.
But that's nonsense. Typical straw-man "the environmentalist are out to get us". Let's
see some actual quote of a respected environmentalist saying they believe in freedom,
markets, human ingenuity and technological progress.
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