On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 8:12 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 18 November 2013 22:41, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote: >> >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > This is quite simple. Markets ignore the commons, hence a free market >> > solution can't - or is highly unlikely - to work. >> >> Yes, but this is circular. You're saying that the market cannot work >> for things that you do not allow to be part of the market. The >> government has to exist, otherwise how is the government to exist? > > > It isn't a question of not allowing the commons to be part of the market. > YOU try convincing a private organisation to put lots of resources into > fixing the commons. Try and persuade, say, Dell or Oracle or McDonalds that > they should spend a substantial part of their revenue building motorways or > fixing the climate, and see how far you get.
There is a huge market for roads. Both McDonalds and Dell need them to distribute their stuff. Why would they not be built? Sounds like a great investment. But there would be less roads, that's for sure. For example, my bankrupt home country probably wouldn't have two highways running 10 Km parallel to each other, like you can see here (A17 and A1): https://maps.google.com/?ll=39.880235,-8.539124&spn=0.658647,1.18103&t=m&z=10 They both charge expensive tolls, by the way. A17 is always empty, but that's not a problem because the "company" that built it has a guaranteed minimum profits contract with the government that tax payers have to support. Reducing carbon emissions will not be a problem once the alternatives become efficient, and thus profitable. Unless, of course, the oil companies manage to lobby the government to prevent it. If we are facing an extinction level event where the only chance of survival is to shut down civilisation for a while, then we are dead already. That is never going to happen, government or no government. Telmo. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.