On 24 Nov 2013, at 10:06, LizR wrote:
To be exact it's the belief that no gods exist, i.e. that "theism"
is wrong. But otherwise it does seem to echo Aristotle and Plato, at
least as far as I understand them.
Atheism is also the belief in NO afterlife, which is close to not
making much sense to me (even without comp). This is well illustrated
by the french philosophers like La Mettrie and Sade, defending the
right to do what you want in your life (including torturing children
and women), as you have only one life to profit on. It is part of the
origin of the political materialism, implemented in both communism and
capitalism, and indeed both are aggressive with any form of
spiritualism, and confuse a rich life with a life of rich.
The big conceptual difference between Aristotle and Plato is that in
Aristotle there is a belief in a primitive material universe, where
for Plato, the material universe is a shadow (an emanation, a border,
a reflection, a projection,...) of something else (the one, God, the
universal dream, etc.).
It is the opposition between naturalism (materialism, physicalism),
and the other conceptions of reality (which can still be rational,
like with the antic greeks and Indians).
Atheists and Christians are alike. They have the same conception of
the creator (the first to deny it, the second to believe in it), and
the same conception of the creation (a material universe).
The real "religious" debate is about the primitive or not existence of
the physical reality. Should we search, or not, for a reason behind
the physical reality?
Bruno
On 24 November 2013 04:56, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
On 23 Nov 2013, at 14:05, Roger Clough wrote:
Atheism is wish fulfillment.
Yes. Notably. I agree.
It is the fuzzy belief that the Christian God does not exist,
together with the belief in the Christian "Matter".
The debate between Atheists and Christians hides the deeper debate
between Aristotle and Plato.
Bruno
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