On 02-Dec-2013, at 11:45 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 02 Dec 2013, at 18:46, Samiya Illias wrote: > >> Below, I'm paraphrasing from memory a couple of passages: >> On the subject of the persecution of the 'Bani Israel' Children of Israel by >> Pharoah, such that the male children were being killed and females kept >> alive, It reads that it was a great trial from God. >> At another place, it reads that know that whatever happens to you, good or >> bad, it is all inscribed in a decree before we bring it into existence. >> This is so that you do not despair of whatever passes you by, nor exult over >> ... >> There is a lot going on all over the world that one would like to wish away, >> but it helps to understand that all things / events / circumstances are >> trials, temporary and transient. In this life, nothing is a reward or >> punishment, rather everything is a trial, and an opportunity to do good >> deeds through helping those in need. Reward and Punishment are concepts >> associated with the Hereafter, and are of a permanent nature. > > I can make sense, but in the machine's theory, some truth there need to > remain silent, as they will look like nonsense for some people. It is of the > type "only going without saying". Okay > >> No, he didn't say "Oops!", God exhorts us to reflect and ponder! > > Are you open to doubt your theory? Or some points in your theory? > There was a time when I doubted. I read and discussed with many theists of other faiths and atheists. I also studied the Quran more objectively, questioning the translations and my interpretations. I am still open to new ideas and do accept what convinces me. However, I find that I am more convinced now than before. > If not it means you stay connected to the incommunicable part, and you take > the risk of saying to much, and fuel disbelief, even and especially when not > wrong. If I do not honestly give my input, its not fair to others. Choices come with consequences, and when seeking truth, one must take risks... I hope my honesty is of help to someone. > > And, btw, what is your position on computationalism, because this is an > hypothesis shared by many here (if only for the sake of the argument). I believe we are all in a giant software and everything, including us, are computed. So, your deductions from your work do fascinate me. > Would you accept that you or some friend get an artificial digital brain? Like Ganesh? :) > Have you think about this question? Have you an idea of the consequence for > consciousness and physical realities, and for the possible theologies? Or you're suggesting 'soulless' clones? > > I don't defend the idea that comp is true, but comp makes possible to use > computer science and mathematics to formulate the questions, and put some > light around. > >> Sent from my iPhone > > Well, for the Mandelbrot sets zooms, I hope you can access a bigger computer > with a larger screen. Thanks. Just am very busy and mostly away from my laptop these days, yet this is an interesting discussion, and I want to participate. I should go to my phone's setting and remove this msg. Samiya > > Bruno > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
