On 02-Dec-2013, at 11:45 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> > On 02 Dec 2013, at 18:46, Samiya Illias wrote: > >> Below, I'm paraphrasing from memory a couple of passages: >> On the subject of the persecution of the 'Bani Israel' Children of Israel by >> Pharoah, such that the male children were being killed and females kept >> alive, It reads that it was a great trial from God. >> At another place, it reads that know that whatever happens to you, good or >> bad, it is all inscribed in a decree before we bring it into existence. >> This is so that you do not despair of whatever passes you by, nor exult over >> ... >> There is a lot going on all over the world that one would like to wish away, >> but it helps to understand that all things / events / circumstances are >> trials, temporary and transient. In this life, nothing is a reward or >> punishment, rather everything is a trial, and an opportunity to do good >> deeds through helping those in need. Reward and Punishment are concepts >> associated with the Hereafter, and are of a permanent nature. > > I can make sense, but in the machine's theory, some truth there need to > remain silent, as they will look like nonsense for some people. It is of the > type "only going without saying". Okay > >> No, he didn't say "Oops!", God exhorts us to reflect and ponder! > > Are you open to doubt your theory? Or some points in your theory? > There was a time when I doubted. I read and discussed with many theists of other faiths and atheists. I also studied the Quran more objectively, questioning the translations and my interpretations. I am still open to new ideas and do accept what convinces me. However, I find that I am more convinced now than before. > If not it means you stay connected to the incommunicable part, and you take > the risk of saying to much, and fuel disbelief, even and especially when not > wrong. If I do not honestly give my input, its not fair to others. Choices come with consequences, and when seeking truth, one must take risks... I hope my honesty is of help to someone. > > And, btw, what is your position on computationalism, because this is an > hypothesis shared by many here (if only for the sake of the argument). I believe we are all in a giant software and everything, including us, are computed. So, your deductions from your work do fascinate me. > Would you accept that you or some friend get an artificial digital brain? Like Ganesh? :) > Have you think about this question? Have you an idea of the consequence for > consciousness and physical realities, and for the possible theologies? Or you're suggesting 'soulless' clones? > > I don't defend the idea that comp is true, but comp makes possible to use > computer science and mathematics to formulate the questions, and put some > light around. > >> Sent from my iPhone > > Well, for the Mandelbrot sets zooms, I hope you can access a bigger computer > with a larger screen. Thanks. Just am very busy and mostly away from my laptop these days, yet this is an interesting discussion, and I want to participate. I should go to my phone's setting and remove this msg. Samiya > > Bruno > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.