On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Below, I'm paraphrasing from memory a couple of passages:
> On the subject of the persecution of the 'Bani Israel' Children of Israel by 
> Pharoah, such that the male children were being killed and females kept 
> alive, It reads that it was a great trial from God.
> At another place, it reads that know that whatever happens to you, good or 
> bad, it is all inscribed  in a decree before we bring it into existence. This 
> is so that you do not despair of whatever passes you by, nor exult over ...
> There is a lot going on all over the world that one would like to wish away, 
> but it helps to understand that all things / events / circumstances are 
> trials, temporary and transient. In this life, nothing is a reward or 
> punishment, rather everything is a trial, and an opportunity to do good deeds 
> through helping those in need. Reward and Punishment are concepts associated 
> with the Hereafter, and are of a permanent nature.
> No, he didn't say "Oops!", God exhorts us to reflect and ponder!

Hi Samiya,

If whatever happens is inscribed in a decree before we bring it into
existence, so is the outcome of the trials. So why bother?

Telmo.

> Samiya
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 02-Dec-2013, at 10:09 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 02 Dec 2013, at 13:39, Samiya Illias wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that God is consistent. In my understanding, God is perfect in 
>>> every possible meaning of the word.
>>
>> Is God perfect for the children in Syria?  (Easy question on an hard subject)
>>
>> Here, you might hope that God will succeed in consolating them and that 
>> everything is OK.  But that state of mind might make us accept more easily 
>> the tragedies, and that fatalism ... might be fatal for the incarnation of 
>> the good.
>>
>> The question, put in a another way, who are you to judge God's perfection?
>>
>> You might, like Gödel, assume that God has all positive attributes and as 
>> such is perfect, and one day we will understand the tragedies, but I am not 
>> sure such a God makes sense for the universal machines.
>>
>> If it makes sense, then I am willing to bet it is a truth belonging to G*, 
>> and not G. That would mean that God was perfect ... until you said so.
>>
>> The theological truth must remain silent, or be justified from some shared 
>> assumptions.
>>
>> If you say God is perfect to those who lost people they care about, it might 
>> be impolite, and you will again fuel atheism.
>>
>> Hell is paved with the best intentions.
>>
>> God might also not be perfect, and you might have the right to be angry 
>> against She/Him/It.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I was objecting to the assertion below that 'Most theistic philosophers and 
>>> theologians who have considered the issue agree that God did not create the 
>>> laws of math and logic, and does not have the power to alter them (or any 
>>> other "necessary" truths,
>>
>> God created logic and the integers, and arithmetic. Then he said "Oops!".
>>
>> Analysis, Topology, Algebra, Physics, History, Geography, archeology and 
>> Theology are tools for the integers to understand themselves.
>>
>> Truth already warns the numbers: the path is infinite and there are 
>> surprises.
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>>
>> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
>>
>>
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