On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: > Below, I'm paraphrasing from memory a couple of passages: > On the subject of the persecution of the 'Bani Israel' Children of Israel by > Pharoah, such that the male children were being killed and females kept > alive, It reads that it was a great trial from God. > At another place, it reads that know that whatever happens to you, good or > bad, it is all inscribed in a decree before we bring it into existence. This > is so that you do not despair of whatever passes you by, nor exult over ... > There is a lot going on all over the world that one would like to wish away, > but it helps to understand that all things / events / circumstances are > trials, temporary and transient. In this life, nothing is a reward or > punishment, rather everything is a trial, and an opportunity to do good deeds > through helping those in need. Reward and Punishment are concepts associated > with the Hereafter, and are of a permanent nature. > No, he didn't say "Oops!", God exhorts us to reflect and ponder!
Hi Samiya, If whatever happens is inscribed in a decree before we bring it into existence, so is the outcome of the trials. So why bother? Telmo. > Samiya > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 02-Dec-2013, at 10:09 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On 02 Dec 2013, at 13:39, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >>> I agree that God is consistent. In my understanding, God is perfect in >>> every possible meaning of the word. >> >> Is God perfect for the children in Syria? (Easy question on an hard subject) >> >> Here, you might hope that God will succeed in consolating them and that >> everything is OK. But that state of mind might make us accept more easily >> the tragedies, and that fatalism ... might be fatal for the incarnation of >> the good. >> >> The question, put in a another way, who are you to judge God's perfection? >> >> You might, like Gödel, assume that God has all positive attributes and as >> such is perfect, and one day we will understand the tragedies, but I am not >> sure such a God makes sense for the universal machines. >> >> If it makes sense, then I am willing to bet it is a truth belonging to G*, >> and not G. That would mean that God was perfect ... until you said so. >> >> The theological truth must remain silent, or be justified from some shared >> assumptions. >> >> If you say God is perfect to those who lost people they care about, it might >> be impolite, and you will again fuel atheism. >> >> Hell is paved with the best intentions. >> >> God might also not be perfect, and you might have the right to be angry >> against She/Him/It. >> >> >> >> >> >>> I was objecting to the assertion below that 'Most theistic philosophers and >>> theologians who have considered the issue agree that God did not create the >>> laws of math and logic, and does not have the power to alter them (or any >>> other "necessary" truths, >> >> God created logic and the integers, and arithmetic. Then he said "Oops!". >> >> Analysis, Topology, Algebra, Physics, History, Geography, archeology and >> Theology are tools for the integers to understand themselves. >> >> Truth already warns the numbers: the path is infinite and there are >> surprises. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
