# Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

```2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>

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> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com>wrote:
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>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
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>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:15 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
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>>>> On 05 Dec 2013, at 09:53, Jason Resch wrote:
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>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com>wrote:
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>>>>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
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>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux
>>>>>> <allco...@gmail.com>wrote:
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>>>>>>> Measure is relative,
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>>>>>> Yes, so your current measure of next finding yourself in a Drelb
>>>>>> continuation, is relatively low compared to the measure of you still
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> conscious on Earth. But if you point a quantum gun at your head and pull
>>>>>> the trigger 30 times, your Earth-continuation measure continues to fall,
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>>>>>> is reduced by a factor of a billion. At this point, your Drelb-based
>>>>>> extensions may become relatively higher than your Earth-based extensions,
>>>>>> and therefore you would be likely to experience a transition to those
>>>>>> realms of higher measure.
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>>>>>>> it doesn't drop while you approach death.
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>>>>>> Your measure drops whenever you make yourself more unique,
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>>>>> You doesn't, you always have an infinity of continuations.
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>>>> In measure theory ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_(mathematics) )
>>>> just because there are an infinite number does not mean they are equal.
>>>> Your measure each time you pull the trigger in the quantum gun is
>>>> (approximately) halved.
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>>>> Your relative measure on the continuations where you survive remains
>>>> constant and equal to one.
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>>> I was considering only the continuations where you survive, (which
>>> subjectively is one), but the proportion of the continuations where you
>>> survive that are explained by non-traditional means (simulation argument,
>>> dream of God, etc.) increases relative to the dwindling the fraction of
>>> biologically surviving instances.
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>>> When I spoke of one's measure decreasing, I was referring to the
>>> person's objective measure in reality, which to me seems to decrease when
>>> one is tested by a dangerous encounter. I am not suggesting that there was
>>> a 50% chance you would "stop being you" when you pull the trigger, but that
>>> there is an ever increasing chance you will take some strange paths to
>>> survive. And this is because the measure of the biologically surviving
>>> copies, relative to the non-biological surviving copies, decreases.
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>>>> We cannot count the cul-de-sac reality (and that is why Bp & Dt can
>>>> give a quantum measure). Some absolute measure does not make sense.
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>>> Does RSSA imply one does no harm to their measure (objective or
>>> subjective) by spending a day in the the box with Schrodinger's cat?
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>> No, because there is no absolute measure to decrease to begin with. The
>> thing is, doing dangerous thing *increase* likeliness to experience being
>> crippled, that's what is more likely.
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> My understanding of the RSSA vs. ASSA difference concerns only the
> expectation of one's next conscious experience.  That is, the RSSA does not
> deny the reality of an objective, global, relative measure of all observers
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It doesn't deby it, it doesn't say anything about it... the thing is, ASSA
is inconsisent, and not compatible with RSSA.

Quentin

> , it says only that the measure of those other observers (which are not
> continuations of one's current state) are irrelevant to predicting your
> next experience.  Is this incorrect?
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> Jason
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