# Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

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On 05 Dec 2013, at 17:13, Quentin Anciaux wrote:```
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2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>

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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
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2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>

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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
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2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>

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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
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2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>

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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
```Measure is relative,

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Yes, so your current measure of next finding yourself in a Drelb continuation, is relatively low compared to the measure of you still being conscious on Earth. But if you point a quantum gun at your head and pull the trigger 30 times, your Earth-continuation measure continues to fall, it is reduced by a factor of a billion. At this point, your Drelb-based extensions may become relatively higher than your Earth-based extensions, and therefore you would be likely to experience a transition to those realms of higher measure.
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it doesn't drop while you approach death.

Your measure drops whenever you make yourself more unique,

You doesn't, you always have an infinity of continuations.

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In measure theory ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Measure_(mathematics) ) just because there are an infinite number does not mean they are equal. Your measure each time you pull the trigger in the quantum gun is (approximately) halved.
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No, that is ASSA...

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especially in those instances where you survive dangerous situations (such as falling from a height, or significantly aging).
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Relative to what? Does not one's measure of being alive drop in half with each trigger pull, (relative to your measure of being alive before the trigger pull)?
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but the outcome to explain you're still alive can become more strange... and drelb based extensions should not become much higher, simple physics should still have higher measure to explain your unlikely survival.
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You are saying we cannot reduce one's measure for surviving in the physical universe to arbitrarily low levels? What would you say your relative measure of being alive in the physical world be after an atomic bomb went off 10 feet from you (relative to before it went off)?
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Which probabilities are you referring to here?

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The probabilities applies only on your continuation, the partitioning of the infinity of continuations where you're alive are the probabilities to find yourself in such continuation or such other, those adds up to one...
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Think of it like this: There are 10,000 explanations for your current experience. 9,950 are various physical and biological instances of you living on Earth, 30 instances are various ancestor simulations run by future humans, 15 are by advanced aliens in other universes, and 5 are by Drelb-like entities. If you shoot yourself in the head with a quantum gun, 4,975 of the 9,950 biological instances are dead, and 25 of the 50 simulated ones awaken from the simulation. You pull the trigger again, and 2488 of the 4975 biological survivors from the first trigger pull are dead, and 13 of the 25 simulated survivors wake up from their simulation. Note that with each trigger pull, the proportion who are still alive (either in the simulation or having awoken from it) remains the same: at 50, while the population of physical/biological entities is cut in half each time. After another 12 or so trigger pulls the only remaining survivors will be those that were simulated, and all of them now find themselves in a different realm.
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If what I said above is the ASSA, then what does the RSSA say concerning the above analysis?
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That is invalid, because there are never a finite number of next continuations.
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Everett said there is a non-denumerable number of copies, can you not apply relative measure to these?
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You can... why coudn't you...? What I said, is that Dreb world will always be less likely than simple physical explanation for your current moment...
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It should be , or we all should have met Dreb by now.
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If it is infinite, take Jason's numbers as proportions (which does not make much sense in front of arithmetic, but are still conceivable as a well defined protocol. In those thought experiences there is a limitation principle used of the time: like the hypothesis that there are no reconstitutions elsewhere, which makes no sense. We can only hope our normal stories multiply us at the right level for us to survive, be it biologically, physically, or arithmetically.
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I have not read the novel, the point is that a "real", concrete, duplication will already be a multi-duplication relatively to the normal computations, and if you are copied at that level, the probability of being Drelb is not negligeable, in that protocol, (which is a weird divine or diabolical proportion that only a theoretician can invent for the sake of an argument).
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Bruno

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Quentin

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If not, it seems impossible to make predictions such as "there is a 10% chance you will observe the photon to land in this spot", but we can.
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Jason

Quentin

Jason

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the partitioning of Drelb world should always be low measure... even near death.
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This would require that the simulation hypothesis has an extremely low (relative) probability.
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Jason

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And by no cul de dac you should not count where you 're dead.

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Subjectively you cannot die. And in an infinitely large and varied universe, many strange things may happen.
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Jason

Le 5 déc. 2013 03:44, "Jason Resch" <jasonre...@gmail.com> a écrit :

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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
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2013/12/4 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
On 12/4/2013 10:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:17 AM, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:
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Theory? I am betting neither Clarke the writer, nor Shermer, the Atheist, has put a lot of intellectual efforts in their perspectives/statements. Clarke was aiming at human perspective. Shermer was trying to shoot down the attitudes of the religious, by re-phrasing Clarke's Law. Could God be Drelb, the famous hyper- intelligence from the Sombrero Galaxy. If this is so, what can we do about it?
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If Drelb is hyper-intelligent, it can simulate all of Earth and learn everything about us and everything we do.
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That seems inconsistent with the idea that "we" are infinitely many threads of computation in multiverses. FPI would make us random to Drelb too.
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There are also infinite numbers of Drelb though too.

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Drelb, by constructing a "physical replica" of Earth, is in a sense is running a quantum emulation of all possibilities of Earth, and Drelb, by observing it, is split into as many copies as there are possibilities for the simulation to diverge.
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Such should have a very low measure facing the UD or comp is false...

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As you approach death and your measure drops, strange things may result. Remember there are an infinite number of such Drelb-like entities, none can change mathematical truth so none can affect whether or not your existence, but they can provide continuation paths for you.
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