On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 05 Dec 2013, at 17:09, Jason Resch wrote: > > > >> > Everett said there is a non-denumerable number of copies, can you not > apply relative measure to these? > > > Really? Only in the case of classical QM, but did he pretend that to be > "really" the case? He would favor string theory on any literal quantization > of curbature. > It came up here: http://books.google.com/books?id=dqgqPjqIyJoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=many+worlds+of+hugh+everett&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0a6gUtqjJaOOyAGfpYCgBQ&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=non%20denumerable&f=false But Podolsky said it, and maybe Everett thought agreeing was better than arguing over what kind of infinity it was. Jason > > By Gleason, the relative measure works very well. In Everett, all > measurement defined coherent partition of the "block multiverse". > > In comp, it is an open problem, partially solved. > > > > If not, it seems impossible to make predictions such as "there is a 10% > chance you will observe the photon to land in this spot", but we can. > > > I might have missed something. I think I agree with Quentin on this one, > but there might be a misunderstanding. I will read the other posts. > > > Bruno > > > > > > Jason > > > >> Quentin >> >> >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> the partitioning of Drelb world should always be low measure... even >>>>>> near death. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> This would require that the simulation hypothesis has an extremely low >>>>> (relative) probability. >>>>> >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Quentin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And by no cul de dac you should not count where you 're dead. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subjectively you cannot die. And in an infinitely large and varied >>>>>>> universe, many strange things may happen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Le 5 déc. 2013 03:44, "Jason Resch" <[email protected]> a écrit >>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2013/12/4 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, meekerdb >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/4/2013 10:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:17 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Theory? I am betting neither Clarke the writer, nor Shermer, >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Atheist, has put a lot of intellectual efforts in their >>>>>>>>>>>>> perspectives/statements. Clarke was aiming at human perspective. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Shermer >>>>>>>>>>>>> was trying to shoot down the attitudes of the religious, by >>>>>>>>>>>>> re-phrasing Clarke's Law. Could God be Drelb, the famous >>>>>>>>>>>>> hyper-intelligence >>>>>>>>>>>>> from the Sombrero Galaxy. If this is so, what can we do about it? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If Drelb is hyper-intelligent, it can simulate all of Earth >>>>>>>>>>>> and learn everything about us and everything we do. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> That seems inconsistent with the idea that "we" are infinitely >>>>>>>>>>>> many threads of computation in multiverses. FPI would make us >>>>>>>>>>>> random to >>>>>>>>>>>> Drelb too. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are also infinite numbers of Drelb though too. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Drelb, by constructing a "physical replica" of Earth, is in a >>>>>>>>>>> sense is running a quantum emulation of all possibilities of Earth, >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> Drelb, by observing it, is split into as many copies as there are >>>>>>>>>>> possibilities for the simulation to diverge. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Such should have a very low measure facing the UD or comp is >>>>>>>>>> false... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As you approach death and your measure drops, strange things may >>>>>>>>> result. Remember there are an infinite number of such Drelb-like >>>>>>>>> entities, >>>>>>>>> none can change mathematical truth so none can affect whether or not >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> existence, but they can provide continuation paths for you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. 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