On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 04 Dec 2013, at 16:24, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Hi Alberto, > > I agree with you that religion cannot be avoided in this sense. > > Here's a funny example: > The Leipzig secular solstice celebration: > http://lesswrong.com/meetups/u6 > > Here's a video of some guy who's trying to become a priest for atheists: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vIFloLATxo > (I still have some hope that the guy is a comedian, in which case he's a > genius) > > One of the most perverse "tricks" that the system played on us, in my > opinion, was in convincing people to accept that the state should raise the > kids. Sure, people spend a couple of hours with them between days spent > working mostly unnecessary jobs, but the bulk of modern education is > provided by institutionalised school and TV. I agree with the importance of > teaching kids math, reading comprehension, etc, but school is just > terrible. It also teaches us to tolerate absurd levels of boredom, to > replace thinking with accepting authority and it creates an artificial > reward system, where one can get addicted to a feeling of accomplishment > without accomplishing anything. Of course, all these things make us more > compliant in later on accepting lives without meaning. > > Democracy is almost funny. People believe in this myth that it enforces > the "will of the people", but if you ask anyone individually you will find > that you cannot easily find a person whose opinion ever influenced anything > whatsoever. It's even hard to have an opinion. The better part of their > days people are slaves, and when tired they are spoon fed badly disguised > world views sprinkled over mindless entertainment. > > Everyone should have at least one psychedelic experience. This would > change the world faster and better than any ideology. > > > > All religions have their psychedelic substances. Christianism is mainly > wine (Christ blood!), although some pretended that Jesus took magic > shrooms. Cannabis would already change a lot, and salvia, often called a > medication to cure atheism (!) could bring much more change. Quite possibly. > I heard a guy who researches compared religions make an interesting case that colourfully wrapped gifts under the christmas tree represent magic mushrooms -- stemming from a pagan tradition from cold European countries were magic mushrooms will, indeed, grow under pine trees in winter. Of course this is just a case where Christianism assimilated a pagan ritual. Telmo. > > Bruno > > > > > > > Telmo. > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> Two more remarks: >> >> I´m astonished contemplating how people can contemplate with horror the >> belief in a god that they thing that it does not exist and accept the >> belief in worldly lies and praise completely invented myths about their >> favorite heroes Even if they know that are false. That Kim Jon Il wrote a >> mean of tree books a day is incredible for them but there are equally >> fantastic histories and Myths widely believed that would make Chesterton >> crap up. >> >> The wishfulthinker fall in tears when pronouncing his sacred capitalized >> worlds: People, Democracy, Equalty Human Rights and so on. In the past, >> Socialism, Worker Class and such craps motivated the same heart lifts. >> Today even the Terrorists invoke what they call Democracy with passion. >> >> But in his country, like in any other, the same families alternate in >> government, with a few exceptions, no matter the kind or regime and the >> political party. All are equals except that some are more equal than >> others. Perhaps things are closer to the Ancient Regime rather than to the >> myths of his utopic society. The more the utopics are in power, the more >> the ancient regime (that they had in the imagination) returns. Perhaps all >> such elevated concepts are not part of the reality but ideological >> constructions and their most known advocates, just power seekers that may >> deserve the worship of the wishfulthinkers? >> >> I repeat the cult of men to men is the most primitive and dangerous >> religion. And RELIGION CAN NOT BE AVOIDED: you can not live without a form >> of religion or religions like you can not live alone. >> >> >> 2013/12/1 Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> >> >> Government by the Rule of Law (of physics) I would say. >>> >>> There is much much in the relation between the republican idea of >>> society, and pragmatical atheism of the contractualists Hobbes, rousseau, >>> Locke (let the state work without religion), that later became ideological >>> (atheism is the religion of the state). >>> >>> The idea of ruling society by laws was probably inspired by newtonian >>> phisics (but not by newtonian theology) and the market economy. what is >>> initially science or experience can become a myth that organize a society. >>> >>> But this gobernment by rules is a hopeful ideal. In other words, a myth. >>> But a myth necessary for the state religion. Whenever there are laws there >>> is a sovereingh lawyers. "The people" in "democracy" is such lawyer say the >>> modern wishfulthinker. That is nothing but another two myths. hypostases, >>> something that does not exist bu in the mind by an effort of faith for the >>> purpose of social cooperation. >>> >>> So to summarize, the human mind can not live withouth myths. If he >>> reject the given ones, he invent its own. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/12/1 LizR <[email protected]> >>> >>>> Because there are no obvious signs of government in the universe, I >>>> would say. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2 December 2013 10:29, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> How can a grown man be an atheist ? >>>>> >>>>> An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can >>>>> function without some form of government. >>>>> >>>>> How silly. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] >>>>> See my Leibniz site at >>>>> http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> <http://www.avast.com/> >>>>> >>>>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! >>>>> Antivirus<http://www.avast.com/>protection is active. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Alberto. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Alberto. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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