On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 11:58 AM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > >> >>>> Determinism is far from "well established". >>>> >>> >>> >>> It's a basic assumption in almost every scientific theory. >>> >> >> >> In the most important theory in physics, Quantum Mechanics, no such >> assumption is made, and despite a century of trying no experiment has ever >> been performed that even hinted such a deterministic assumption should be >> added in. >> >> > What? Everett = SWE. The wave evolves deterministically. >> > > Yes the Schrodinger Wave Equation (SWE) is deterministic but that doesn't > matter because it describes nothing observable in the universe. To figure > out if a electron will be at point X you've got to square the value of the > SWE at point X , and then all you get is a probability not a certainty. > You seem to have a blind spot for first person indeterminacy. Were you not the one to say everything is 100% certain in the case of the duplication experiment? Now you back-peddle to say there are indeed probabilities when observer states are duplicated in the Schrodinger equation?! Jason To make matters worse the SWE uses imaginary numbers so 2 very different > complex numbers provided by Schrodinger can produce identical probabilities > after squaring. If 2 different things can produce identical results then > things are not deterministic, and if those results are probabilities not > certainties then things are even less deterministic. > > John K Clark > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.