On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 11:58 AM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>
>>     >>>> Determinism is far from "well established".
>>>>
>>>
>>> >>> It's a basic assumption in almost every scientific theory.
>>>
>>
>> >> In the most important theory in physics, Quantum Mechanics, no such
>> assumption is made, and despite a century of trying no experiment has ever
>> been performed that even hinted such a deterministic assumption should be
>> added in.
>>
>> > What? Everett = SWE. The wave evolves deterministically.
>>
>
> Yes the Schrodinger Wave Equation (SWE) is deterministic but that doesn't
> matter because it describes nothing observable in the universe. To figure
> out if a electron will be at point X you've got to square the value of the
> SWE at point X , and then all you get is a probability not a certainty.
>

You seem to have a blind spot for first person indeterminacy.

Were you not the one to say everything is 100% certain in the case of the
duplication experiment?  Now you back-peddle to say there are indeed
probabilities when observer states are duplicated in the Schrodinger
equation?!

Jason


To make matters worse the SWE uses imaginary numbers so 2 very different
> complex numbers provided by Schrodinger can produce identical probabilities
> after squaring. If 2 different things can produce identical results then
> things are not deterministic, and if those results are probabilities not
> certainties then things are even less deterministic.
>
>   John K Clark
>
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