On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 11:58 AM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>>> Determinism is far from "well established". >>>> >>> >>> >>> It's a basic assumption in almost every scientific theory. >>> >> >> >> In the most important theory in physics, Quantum Mechanics, no such >> assumption is made, and despite a century of trying no experiment has ever >> been performed that even hinted such a deterministic assumption should be >> added in. >> >> > What? Everett = SWE. The wave evolves deterministically. >> > > Yes the Schrodinger Wave Equation (SWE) is deterministic but that doesn't > matter because it describes nothing observable in the universe. To figure > out if a electron will be at point X you've got to square the value of the > SWE at point X , and then all you get is a probability not a certainty. > You seem to have a blind spot for first person indeterminacy. Were you not the one to say everything is 100% certain in the case of the duplication experiment? Now you back-peddle to say there are indeed probabilities when observer states are duplicated in the Schrodinger equation?! Jason To make matters worse the SWE uses imaginary numbers so 2 very different > complex numbers provided by Schrodinger can produce identical probabilities > after squaring. If 2 different things can produce identical results then > things are not deterministic, and if those results are probabilities not > certainties then things are even less deterministic. > > John K Clark > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
