On 11 Dec 2013, at 18:58, John Clark wrote:

On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>wrote:>>>> Determinism is far from "well established". >>> It's a basic assumption in almost every scientific theory.>> In the most important theory in physics, Quantum Mechanics, nosuch assumption is made, and despite a century of trying noexperiment has ever been performed that even hinted such adeterministic assumption should be added in.> What? Everett = SWE. The wave evolves deterministically.Yes the Schrodinger Wave Equation (SWE) is deterministic but thatdoesn't matter because it describes nothing observable in theuniverse.

In which theory?

To figure out if a electron will be at point X you've got to squarethe value of the SWE at point X , and then all you get is aprobability not a certainty.

`In Copenhangen. In Everett's theory, you get a self-duplication,`

`similar to the comp one.`

To make matters worse the SWE uses imaginary numbers so 2 verydifferent complex numbers provided by Schrodinger can produceidentical probabilities after squaring. If 2 different things canproduce identical results then things are not deterministic,

?

`It is the other way round. If two similar things can get different`

`results, then things are not deterministic.`

`You would not say that arithmetic is indeterminate because both 8-5`

`and 9-6 gives deterministically the same result.`

Bruno

and if those results are probabilities not certainties then thingsare even less deterministic.John K Clark --You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

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