On Dec 24, 2013, at 1:13 PM, "Edgar L. Owen" <[email protected]> wrote:
Jason,
Factor into exactly two factors? Just divide by 2 assuming it's an
even number. Nothing to do with primes! Is that what you meant?
Yes.
If you meant factor completely I'm not sure reality ever does that.
What, in your mind, determines what programs reality executes and
which ones it does not?
It's likely something that only human mathematicians do.
What about alien mathematicians?
Do you think a number is not prime until a mathematician tries to
factor a number and fails?
Can you think of a process in non-human nature?
Before you asked for naturally occurring examples; I consider humans
and computers to be natural objects.
In my view reality computes only against actual processes. These you
mention Euclid
Computers
Recursive functions
Humans
Cicadas
are all examples of human not reality math except for cicadas, but
there is no evidence cicadas have any concept of prime numbers, they
just count up to 17.
Natural selection chose the periods to be prime numbers because of
their inherent properties. This happened long before humans entered
the scene.
You should see my recent posts concerning mathematical truth and
primes in the "how can a grown man be atheist" thread.
Jason
Edgar
On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 7:48:24 AM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
All,
Both Roger and Bruno took issue with my definition of reality to
include theories about reality. But the proper definition of reality
is that reality includes everything that exists and theories of
reality most certainly exist. Roger and Bruno seem to be coming from
the old dualistic definition of reality in which some things
(generally the 'physical' world) are real and some things aren't
real (generally thoughts e.g. about the physical world).
While this dualistic definition of reality may be useful in daily
life it fails on the philosophical level. In truth the entirety of
reality is computational and both 'physical' events and mental are
both part of that same single computational nexus. Roger gives the
example of hitting a table with his fist as something that is real
as opposed to a theory about reality which isn't but in fact the
reality of the experience of both is electrical signals (information
computations) in the brain. They are both computations in the brain.
The proper definition is that everything that exists is real and
therefore part of reality. Everything that exists is a
computationally evolving information state in reality and that is
why it is real, however its reality is exactly what it actually is,
what its computational forms actually are, and this is true for
everything including both what our minds interpret as 'physical'
events and 'mental'. If you must make that distinction then of
course everything without exception in our thoughts and experience
is mental, but the deeper truth is that its all computationally
evolving information however it's interpreted by our minds.
Thus the only philosophically consistent definition of reality
includes everything that exists without exception, including
thoughts and theories.
But there is a deeper truth here in that reality itself exists
independently of its particular contents as a thing in itself. In
fact prior to the big bang it was empty of any actualized
information at all, but it still existed in a state similar to a
generalized quantum vacuum.
This reality itself is what makes the computations that occur within
it real and actual and have being, it is what gives them life. It is
what I call 'Ontological Energy' which is simply the (non-physical)
space of reality whose presence manifests as the present moment in
which we and everything exists. All the computationally evolving
information that exists exists like waves, ripples and currents in
the sea of existence itself, in the ocean of ontological energy, the
logical space or locus of reality and actuality.
Reality is a single ocean of ontological energy and everything that
exists exists as a computationally evolving information form within
it. There is nothing outside of it because there is no outside.
Therefore there is no possibility of anything being 'not real' or
not part of reality. There is only the different categories of
reality of different information forms within reality.
Edgar
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