The fact that cicadas tend to emerge at 17 year intervals has nothing at 
all to do with the fact that 17 is a prime number. It's simply counting. If 
I find 17 cents in my pocket that's just counting - nothing at all to do 
with primes or prime theory.

That should be obvious...


On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 7:48:24 AM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> All,
> Both Roger and Bruno took issue with my definition of reality to include 
> theories about reality. But the proper definition of reality is that 
> reality includes everything that exists and theories of reality most 
> certainly exist. Roger and Bruno seem to be coming from the old dualistic 
> definition of reality in which some things (generally the 'physical' world) 
> are real and some things aren't real (generally thoughts e.g. about the 
> physical world).
> While this dualistic definition of reality may be useful in daily life it 
> fails on the philosophical level. In truth the entirety of reality is 
> computational and both 'physical' events and mental are both part of that 
> same single computational nexus. Roger gives the example of hitting a table 
> with his fist as something that is real as opposed to a theory about 
> reality which isn't but in fact the reality of the experience of both is 
> electrical signals (information computations) in the brain. They are both 
> computations in the brain.
> The proper definition is that everything that exists is real and therefore 
> part of reality. Everything that exists is a computationally evolving 
> information state in reality and that is why it is real, however its 
> reality is exactly what it actually is, what its computational forms 
> actually are, and this is true for everything including both what our minds 
> interpret as 'physical' events and 'mental'. If you must make that 
> distinction then of course everything without exception in our thoughts and 
> experience is mental, but the deeper truth is that its all computationally 
> evolving information however it's interpreted by our minds.
> Thus the only philosophically consistent definition of reality includes 
> everything that exists without exception, including thoughts and theories.
> But there is a deeper truth here in that reality itself exists 
> independently of its particular contents as a thing in itself. In fact 
> prior to the big bang it was empty of any actualized information at all, 
> but it still existed in a state similar to a generalized quantum vacuum.
> This reality itself is what makes the computations that occur within it 
> real and actual and have being, it is what gives them life. It is what I 
> call 'Ontological Energy' which is simply the (non-physical) space of 
> reality whose presence manifests as the present moment in which we and 
> everything exists. All the computationally evolving information that exists 
> exists like waves, ripples and currents in the sea of existence itself, in 
> the ocean of ontological energy, the logical space or locus of reality and 
> actuality.
> Reality is a single ocean of ontological energy and everything that exists 
> exists as a computationally evolving information form within it. There is 
> nothing outside of it because there is no outside. Therefore there is no 
> possibility of anything being 'not real' or not part of reality. There is 
> only the different categories of reality of different information forms 
> within reality. 
> Edgar

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