Bruno, and Samiya,

Because there can be no creator sustainer God that stands outside the 
universe. Where would he/it stand? That's an irrational belief from 
millennia ago. The universe by definition is all that exists...


On Sunday, December 22, 2013 3:10:30 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
> All, 
> The question of whether God exists is meaningless without first giving 
> some definition of what is meant by God, of how God is defined. Otherwise 
> everyone is talking about different things and nothing will go anywhere. 
> If you need a God there is only one possible rational definition and that 
> is to just define God as the universe itself. First there is now absolute 
> certainty that God does exist (all the interminable meaningless arguments 
> vanish), and second his attributes now become the proper subject matter of 
> science and reason rather than ideology, faith or myth. 
> But most certainly the dogmas of all the organized religions are all 
> atavistic myths in the same category as Zeus and Odin which, like them, 
> should have been discarded millennia ago.... 
> Edgar 

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