On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:43 AM, Stephen Paul King < [email protected]> wrote:
> Dear Jason, > > You seem to be ignoring the role of the transitory that is involved in > the discussion here. > I am not ignoring it, but showing it is unnecessary to suppose it is fundamental rather than emergent. > The fact is that we are asking questions about things we are trying to > understand. > Right, that is good. > Merely stating that this is that ignores the point. > Isn't that how explanations work? > Where doth change emerge if it does not exist at all? > It emerges in our minds, just like colors, sounds, emotions, etc. There is a condition known as akinetopsia in which its suffers lose the ability to experience time (at least as we do). They experience the world as a series of static snapshots, without conception of time or motion. One woman expressed her trouble with crossing the street, and pouring a cup of tea, since she couldn't tell which cars were moving or stopped, and when pouring tea it seemed frozen like a glacier. You might consider this as some evidence that we owe our perception of change to some extra layer of processing done by our brain. > This is my problem with Platonia, it has no explanation for the > appearance of change. > It can, if we don't require it to be fundamental and are willing to look for explanations of it. Your problem with platonia is as much a problem with special relativity, because special relativity requires a four-dimensional existence, in which all "nows" are equally real. Jason We can point at this or that (figuratively speaking) as an explanation, but > the finger that points does not vanish upon alighting on the answer. > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Jason Resch <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Stephen Paul King < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Jason, >>> >>> So what is turning the "knob" on the values of y (or x)? >>> >> >> Nothing, the whole graph exists at once, but y varies as x varies. Why >> does x=1,y=9 have to be destroyed to make room for x=2,y=11? What does >> destroying the previous state add to x=2,y=11 that wasn't there before? >> >> Now consider we aren't dealing with a simple line, but an equation >> tracing the interactions of all the particle interactions in your brain. >> If x=1 corresponds to your consciousness in time 1, and x=2 corresponds to >> your consciousness in time 2, then how would destroying the x=1 state >> change your conscious state for x=2? >> >> Jason >> >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Jason Resch <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Stephen Paul King < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Brent, >>>>> >>>>> I have a persisting question. How is is that we can get away with >>>>> using verbs (implying actions) when we are describing timeless entities? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> In the same way we can say that y increases as x increases, in the >>>> graph of y = 2x + 7 >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/7G5zm5OFT0k/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > > Kindest Regards, > > Stephen Paul King > > Senior Researcher > > Mobile: (864) 567-3099 > > [email protected] > > http://www.provensecure.us/ > > > “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of > the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain > information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and > exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as > attorney work product. 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