I am curious. Have you every read A. Wheeler's It from Bit? Did you
understand the concept of the Surprise 20 Questions game?
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Edgar L. Owen <edgaro...@att.net> wrote:
> Not quite. The CONTENTS of conscious are the results of computations. The
> FACT of consciousness itself, that the computations are conscious, is due
> to the self-manifesting nature of reality as explained in the other post.
> The rest of your questions don't follow. The fact that reality is real and
> actually exists means it must be present. That presence of reality
> self-manifests as the shared common present moment we all experience our
> existence within, which is the shared locus of reality, and that present
> moment is the only locus of reality. Therefore no block time, no MW, etc.
> On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 11:06:51 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote:
>> On Dec 31, 2013, at 8:28 AM, "Edgar L. Owen" <edga...@att.net> wrote:
>> Thanks for asking. I'll start a new topic on Consciousness hopefully
>> sometime today as it is clearly an important topic on its own.....
>> On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 12:13:26 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote:
>>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:17 AM, Jason Resch <jason...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Do you think a computer can be conscious?
>>>> If yes, then do you think the experience of the consciousness within
>>>> the computer would be different if the computer existed in a block-time
>>>> universes instead of a moving-present universe? If so, how/what would
>>>> cause the states of the evolving computer program to take a different
>>>> course in the block universe vs. the moving present universe? If you see
>>>> no reason the computations should diverge, then you must agree the states
>>>> reached by the computer program are the same, and since they are the same
>>>> the conscious program could not behave any differently. This includes any
>>>> realization that it is in a block-time vs. a moving-present universe.
>>> I am particularly curious to hear what you think of the above reasoning.
>>> It seems that it applies to your theory which I believe at some level holds
>>> that the right computations can produce consciousness.
>> Thanks for your reply in the other thread. I see you answer that
>> consciousness is the result of a computation.
>> If a conscious computation believes and feels like it is in a single
>> moving present moment, do you agree it will feel this way so long as the
>> same computation is performed, regardless of the hardware that executed it?
>> If so, shouldn't it follow that whether the computation exists in a
>> moving present or in a block universe, that the conscious computation will
>> still feel and believe it exists in a single present moment?
>> I don't see how any theory that uses the computational theory of mind can
>> escape this conclusion. As a consequence of it, we cannot use our feeling
>> of existing in a single present as any kind of true indicator for what the
>> reality of the matter is.
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