# Re: Another stab at the universal present moment - a gedanken..

```On 1/5/2014 4:33 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
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`Brent,`
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No, that's the exact opposite of what I said. I said they ARE at the same "present place" when their clocks don't agree.
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Yes. So why don't you recognize that "present place" is just a label, exactly like a latitude and longitude - and then that "present time" is a label, a coordinate time - which the diagrams I posted made perfectly clear. The problem is that you seem to think "here and now" implies a "there and now"; but "there and now" is ambiguous and is RELATIVE to the state of motion.
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Now a question for you. What is this "present place" they are in?
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It's the location defined by their meeting, it's just a label with an ostensive definition, aka "here".
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Brent

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Edgar

On Saturday, January 4, 2014 10:01:02 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:

On 1/4/2014 5:44 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:36 PM, "Edgar L. Owen" <edga...@att.net <javascript:>>
wrote:

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```    Jason,

PS: And don't tell me the twins meeting with different clock times in the
same
present moment is "an event" as if that explained something.

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I use that word in the usual relatavistic (and traditional) sense. As
something
with defined spatial and temporal coordinates. A known time and place,
where and when.

Jason

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```    Of course it's an event. Everything that happens in the entire universe is
an
event. But what is the nature of that event from your perspective?
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Jason, didn't answer that so I'll chip in. The nature of the event is that
two
people who followed different paths between two events in spacetime are at
the
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second event. They synchronized their odometers before they left the first event. One took the freeway, which was straight to their meeting point. The other took
```    some interesting mountain roads and when he arrived at their meeting place
his
odometer indicated a bigger distance.  But Edgar said that's impossible,
"How could
they both be at the same present place when their odometers don't agree?"

Brent

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