On Saturday, January 11, 2014 11:12:46 PM UTC-5, ColinHales wrote: > > RE: arXiv: 1401.1219v1 [quant-ph] 6 Jan 2014 > > Consciousness as a State of Matter > > Max Tegmark, January 8, 2014 > > > > Hi Folk, > > Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! > > I confess that after 12 years of deep immersion in science’s grapplings > with consciousness, the blindspot I see operating is so obvious and so > pervasive and so incredibly unseen it beggars belief. >
Exactly. It would be interesting to see a study that focuses on why some people can't seem to understand the blindspot. That will tell us more about consciousness than any mathematical or physical principle. > I know it’s a long way from physics to neuroscience (discipline-wise). But > surely in 2014 we can see it for what it is. Can’t they (Tegmark and ilk) > see that the so-called “science of consciousness” is > > · the “the science of the scientific observer” > > · trying to explain observing with observations > > · trying to explain experience with experiences > > · trying to explain how scientists do science. > > · a science of scientific behaviour. > > · Descriptive and never explanatory. > > · Assuming that the use of consciousness to confirm ‘laws of > nature’ contacts the actual underlying reality... > > · Assuming there’s only 1 scientific behaviour and never ever > ever questioning that. > > · Assuming scientists are not scientific evidence of anything. > > · Assuming that objectivity, in objectifying something out of > subjectivity, doesn’t evidence the subjectivity at the heart of it. > > · Confusing scientific evidence as being an identity with > objectified phenomena. > > > > 2500 years of blinkered paradigmatic tacit presupposition....now gives us > exactly what happened for phlogiston during the 1600s. A new ‘state of > matter’? Bah! Phlogiston!!! Of course not! All we have to do is admit we > are actually inside the universe, made of whatever it is made of, getting a > view from the point of view of being a bit of it...... grrrrrrrr. The big > mistake is that thinking that physics has ever, in the history of science, > ever ever ever dealt with what the universe is actually made of, as opposed > to merely describing what a presupposed observer ‘sees it looking like’. > The next biggest mistake is assuming that we can’t deal with what the > universe is actually made of, when that very stuff is delivering an ability > to scientifically observe in the first place. > > > > These sorts of expositions have failed before the authors have even lifted > a finger over the keyboard. Those involved don’t even know what the problem > is. The problem is not one _*for*_ science. The problem is _*science > itself*_ ... _*us*_. > > > > Sorry. I just get very very frustrated at times. I have written a book on > this and hopefully it’ll be out within 6 months. That’ll sort them out. > > > > Happy new year! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Colin (@Dr_Cuspy, if you tweet). > > <phew rant over, feel better now> > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
