On 12 January 2014 15:12, Colin Geoffrey Hales <cgha...@unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
> RE: arXiv: 1401.1219v1 [quant-ph] 6 Jan 2014
>
> Consciousness as a State of Matter
>
> Max Tegmark, January 8, 2014
>
>
>
> Hi Folk,
>
> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
>
> I confess that after 12 years of deep immersion in science’s grapplings with
> consciousness, the blindspot I see operating is so obvious and so pervasive
> and so incredibly unseen it beggars belief. I know it’s a long way from
> physics to neuroscience (discipline-wise). But surely in 2014 we can see it
> for what it is. Can’t they (Tegmark and ilk)  see that the so-called
> “science of consciousness” is
>
> ·         the “the science of the scientific observer”
>
> ·         trying to explain observing with observations
>
> ·         trying to explain experience with experiences
>
> ·         trying to explain how scientists do science.
>
> ·         a science of scientific behaviour.
>
> ·         Descriptive and never explanatory.
>
> ·         Assuming that the use of consciousness to confirm ‘laws of nature’
> contacts the actual underlying reality...
>
> ·         Assuming there’s only 1 scientific behaviour and never ever ever
> questioning that.
>
> ·         Assuming scientists are not scientific evidence of anything.
>
> ·         Assuming that objectivity, in objectifying something out of
> subjectivity, doesn’t evidence the subjectivity at the heart of it.
>
> ·         Confusing scientific evidence as being an identity with
> objectified phenomena.
>
>
>
> 2500 years of blinkered paradigmatic tacit presupposition....now gives us
> exactly what happened for phlogiston during the 1600s. A new ‘state of
> matter’?  Bah! Phlogiston!!! Of course not! All we have to do is admit we
> are actually inside the universe, made of whatever it is made of, getting a
> view from the point of view of being a bit of it...... grrrrrrrr. The big
> mistake is that thinking that physics has ever, in the history of science,
> ever ever ever dealt with what the universe is actually made of, as opposed
> to merely describing what a presupposed observer ‘sees it looking like’. The
> next biggest mistake is assuming that we can’t deal with what the universe
> is actually made of, when that very stuff is delivering an ability to
> scientifically observe in the first place.
>
>
>
> These sorts of expositions have failed before the authors have even lifted a
> finger over the keyboard. Those involved don’t even know what the problem
> is. The problem is not one _for_ science. The problem is _science itself_
> ... _us_.
>
>
>
> Sorry. I just get very very frustrated at times. I have written a book on
> this and hopefully it’ll be out within 6 months. That’ll sort them out.
>
>
>
> Happy new year!

I'm a lump of dumb matter arranged in a special way and I am
conscious, so I don't see why another lump of dumb matter arranged in
a special way might not also be conscious. What is it about that idea
that you see as not only wrong, but ridiculous?


-- 
Stathis Papaioannou

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