On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 11:44 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  On 1/15/2014 11:25 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:44 AM, freqflyer07281972 <
> thismindisbud...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I totally agree with you that science, when you really start getting into
>> the implications of things like QM (and relativity for that matter),
>> provides some rather unsettling (and yet very exciting!) conclusions. And
>> yet... they always rest on the tip of uncertainty. Either that, or else the
>> conclusions are so terrible that I can't bear to think of them.
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>  I have come to think few things could be more certain than universalism.
> If you take a few moments to consider why you were born as you, and not
> someone else, the only possible answer that fits that answer is for "me" to
> be born, an exact arrangement of matter or genes had to come into being. If
> the exact matter was necessary, then that means if your mom at something
> else, or took a sip of water at the wrong time, then you would never have
> been born. If the exact genes are required, then that means you had a 1 in
> 100 million chance that the right sperm met the right egg for you to be
> born, otherwise you would not exist at all. The odds become that much more
> staggering when you consider not only your begetting, but all other
> begettings of all your ancestors would have to be EXACTLY right, otherwise
> you would not be born and would never have existed.
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> So what?  Someone wins the lottery no matter how many tickets there are.
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But can you a priori expect to be one of the winners? Should you not have
some level of surprise when you find out you are a winner, and possibly
seek some more probable explanations (my kids are pranking me, I am
dreaming, etc.)?


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>  On the other hand, if you believe even if one gene or two were
> different, you would still have been born, this means there really was no
> specific requirement for you to be born as you, and if a completely
> different sperm or egg were fertilized, then maybe you would instead be one
> of your brothers or sisters.  If this is true, then shouldn't that mean you
> are in fact, also your brothers and sisters.
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> So my Volkswagen is actually the same as my neighbors Volkswagen because
> there was no specific requirement for them to differ except for one on two
> bumps in the ignition lock.  I think I'll suggest that to him; his has a
> lot fewer miles on it than mine.
>

No, you are missing the point. It is not that they are similar enough to be
you, it is that they share everything that was necessary for *you *to be
present in them. Your current perspective does not rule out that you are
seeing from their eyes, just as seeing only one branch does not mean the
wave function collapsed, and nor does seeing only one time prove
presentism. The simpler hypothesis by far is that you are born as all of
them, rather than believing there is some special or privileged person
which is the only person in the whole universe whose entire life *you *will
experience.

Jason


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> Brent
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