On 16 Jan 2014, at 02:19, freqflyer07281972 wrote:
Unless I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together,
of course.
Well, that's just it, isn't it? :-) Or indeed, if all of this "self"
stuff is really a very sophisticated mental model we run...
I've tried making that claim here before, but the response if I
recall was a repetition of the Cartesian dictum, and I didn't pursue
it.
If the self does not and/or never has existed in the first place,
then there is no point in mourning its loss, because it quite
literally doesn't "go anywhere." Still, without having that deep
conviction, not sure how it offers succor.
The 3p-self exists. that can be proved in arithmetic (by the diagonal
lemma).
Much more difficult is to prove the existence of the 1p-self.
But then, by a sort of epistemological miracle, incompleteness makes
valid the oldest definition of the knower (Theaetetus) in arithmetic,
which provides a good candidate for the first person self, and this
explains completely why the first person exists in arithmetic, but
also why it cannot be defined in arithmetic (like arithmetical truth,
for similar reason).
Bruno
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