2014/1/17 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > > On 16 Jan 2014, at 18:27, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The simplest and by far most likely answer is to assume that the world >> we appear to live in IS the real actual world >> > > Maybe. But it could be argued that if the ability to perform vast > calculations is possible (and I can't see why it wouldn't be) then sooner > of later it will be achieved, > > > IF you can believe that 17 is prime independently of you, and, out of > time, space, physics, so to speak, THEN we can say that all computations > are achieved, as they are emulated by the arithmetical reality. > > > > > > > then a future Jupiter Brain will be able to create astonishingly realistic > simulations, and Mr. Jupiter Brain would probably be curious about humans, > the creatures that made it, and so it would make a simulation of them, and > those simulated humans will make a simulated Jupiter Brain which in turn > will make simulated simulated humans who will [...] > > I admit this is a VERY long chain of reasoning, but you might conclude > that the most likely conclusion is we live in a simulation. I'm not saying > any of this is true but... > > > The quantum facts confirms that we are living in the "bottom" simulation, > that is the one naturally emerging from arithmetic. If we bet on comp, and > discover that the laws of physics that we can infer from first person > observation contradicts the laws of physics that we can extract from comp, > then we can infer that we are in a higher level simulation done by > "Jupiter" or some of our descendants. >
That's IMHO false, it's not because you can't infer contradictions between the observed fact and the UD theory that you are in the "bottom" simulation, you can be in a faithfull simulation... and secondly, I think "bottom" simulation is non-sensical, there is no bottom... Quentin > > Bruno > > > > > We can imagine we live in some simulation by some super beings and that >> may or may not be a possibility (I maintain there will always be a way to >> figure that out), >> > > I'm almost embarrassed to admit it but from time to time I have found > myself drawing analogies from the coarse grained nature of the quantum > world and getting too close to the screen in a video game and seeing > individual pixels; and between the quantum world where things don't seem to > actually exist before you measure them and the fact that a good programmer > doesn't waste computer power simulating things behind a big rock that > nobody will ever see. And the singularity at the center of a Black Hole > does sometimes seem a little like a screw up where a programer tried to > divide by zero. > > I'm half joking in all this, but only half. > > John K Clark > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
