On 18 Jan 2014, at 05:02, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/17/2014 4:08 PM, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Russell,
PS: On second thought maybe we don't agree completely. Though free
will is quantum random based (we agree on that), it doesn't mean
that it is "irrational".
And conversely, just making them deterministic wouldn't mean they
were rational.
Indeed.
I think free-will is related to Turing indeterminacy, which is not
related to the quantum or comp indeterminacy.
Free will is related to the (deterministic) fact that a machine cannot
known his entire "trace" or comp path, and cannot predict its current
here and now decision, despite perhaps believing in the right
deterministic laws.
We can intuit this, as nobody would buy an argument of a lawyer saying
that his client is not guilty, because his client is just a bunch of
particles obeying to the SWE. The argument does not work as it gives
to the jury the ability to make any decision, by referring themselves
to the SWE. The jury can say "guilty", and reassure everybidy that
they have scrupulously followed the SWE.
Correct machine are immune against "minoriy reports" (a movie where
psychic people predict crimes so that the police can arrest the
"criminal" before the action).
Well, the "preventive war" notion, like the NDAA, illustrates that
humans are not correct/honest machine, perhaps.
Bruno
Brent
If human actions and the actions of other biological organisms
weren't basically rational they couldn't function or survive in the
real actual world they live in....
Their actions aren't irrational, they just aren't completely
determined by their environments.
The trick is to understand how quantum based indeterminacy can be
amplified to rationality....
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