On 03 Feb 2014, at 22:40, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, January 17, 2014 9:59:36 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
On 1/17/2014 2:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 16 Jan 2014, at 19:04, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/16/2014 12:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The body does not produces consciousness, it only make it
possible for consciousness to forget the "higher self", and
deludes us (in some sense) in having a "little ego" embedded in
some history.
Sounds like wishful thinking.
That is very subjective. It sounds to me, and to some other people,
(apparently many), that it looks more like some terrifying thinking.
I agree. But your choice of words gives the opposite impression.
Why "higher"? Why not "lower".
Yes, why not. The standard term is "higher".
Exactly - it is very subjective.
Why not diffused into the infinite threads of the UD?
Why not indeed? Is that a problem? Not sure to see your point.
My point is that you imply we should be happy with the implications
of comp because it implies we really have a "higher self" that we've
merely forgotten and that we are deluded in having a "little ego".
Just consider how different it sounds to say we have forgotten our
real "lower self" and we deluded in thinking our ego is significant.
Brent
This is very true. I find it strange how much bias of various kinds
gets built into this comp business. It surely can't be possible that
a learned scholar like Bruno doesn't stop to consider whether he's
loading terms in distortive ways. There's no way this is a language
issue, the issue is far too basic.
I hope Bruno takes your advice and tests his choice next time, by
considering its negative.
Can you be more specific, and may be quote my answer to Brent. I don't
want the comp implications to make me happy. On the contrary I make
the hypotheses precise, and then I derive everything by logic and
arithmetic.
If I distorted anything, I would be please you could make a specific
remark.
I don't even see what negative position you are mentioning.
Another bias is the way comp is presented as a hierarchy of
acceptance of comp with words like 'courage' associated toward the
higher end of acceptance, and very much the opposite associations
going down the stack. We could talk forever about how
individualistic people are, but the fact is there's a lot of
evidence people can be very vulnerable to this sort of social/
reputation type pressure. That said there's no sign it's purposeful
or devious or anything like that, but even so.
I have no problem with critics, except when they are so fuzzy it is
not even clear they are related to anything I could have said.
Comp needs courage, but then getting an heart operation too. I don't
see what is the problem for you.
I have manage all points in a deduction, so do you understand the
definition of comp, and at which step do you have any problem?
Something else is that some people don't appear to stick to
published work and consequences when someone less experienced is
undecided. The issue there is that there's a good chance that less
experienced person may not be able to distinguish this for himself,
and may be assuming published work is being stuck to - a reasonable
assumption in my view.
A simple remedy would be to label non published...stuff that are
still at insight stage or whatever, as personal opinion.
?
I explain on this list only published and peer reviewed materials, or
I say explicitly when that is not the case, with all the warnings (but
that is rare).
Let us focus on what you seem to not understand. What is it? I have
really no clue, but you do seem a bit negative, without making any
explicit points. That's a recurent problem that I have with some type
of philosophers.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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