Reproducing (especially WRT self-reproduction) involves development: executing a program that describes the thing being copied to create a copy of that thing.
Whereas copying merely looks at the original object, and recreates it. The program (if it can be called a program) doesn't contain any information about the thing being copied. To clarify this - consider a JPEG image of the Mandelbrot set. _Reproducing_ the mandelbrot set image involves executing the equation z=z^2+c for each pixel c considered as a point in the complex plane, and counting the number of iterations until z escapes the disk |z|=2, and then generating the image from that information, whereas _copying_ the image involves reading the pixels (even just bits) of the JPEG file and creating a new one (eg via the "cp" command). Cheers On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:02:21AM +0000, David Nyman wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Nyman <[email protected]> > Date: 15 February 2014 23:45 > Subject: RE: Better Than the Chinese Room > To: Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> > > > Can you give me a principled distinction between reproducing and copying? > > David > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ------------------------------ > From: Craig Weinberg > Sent: 15/02/2014 23:06 > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room > > > > On Saturday, February 15, 2014 3:43:29 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > > > On 15 February 2014 18:32, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > You can't copy awareness. Awareness is what is uncopyable, not just > >> because awareness is special, but because it is ontologically perpendicular > >> to the possibility of simulation. All attempts to copy awareness result in > >> a doll. > > > > > > Does that then entail that if a conscious amoeba were to fission, the > > resulting two amoebae would be unconscious? Or only one of them? > > > > That's not a copy of an amoeba, reproducing its body is part of what an > amoeba does. > > > > > > David > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics [email protected] University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
