On Saturday, February 15, 2014 7:02:21 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Nyman <david...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > Date: 15 February 2014 23:45 > Subject: RE: Better Than the Chinese Room > To: Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > > > Can you give me a principled distinction between reproducing and copying? > Biological reproduction is a branching of the original organism in which the organism is literally recapitulated. Copying is metaphorical reproduction in which a limited sampling of sense impressions of the original are substituted for purposes of multiplying the locations of an object. Awareness isn't an object so it can only reproduce through the consequences of its own subjective intentions. The Baudrillard treatment of simulacra is relevant: "Simulacra and Simulation" breaks the sign-order into 4 stages: > > 1. The first stage is a faithful image/copy, where we believe, and it > may even be correct, that a sign is a "reflection of a profound reality" > (pg 6), this is a good appearance, in what Baudrillard called "the > sacramental order". > 2. The second stage is perversion of reality, this is where we come to > believe the sign to be an unfaithful copy, which "masks and denatures" > reality as an "evil appearance—it is of the order of maleficence". Here, > signs and images do not faithfully reveal reality to us, but can hint at > the existence of an obscure reality which the sign itself is incapable of > encapsulating. > 3. The third stage masks the absence of a profound reality, where the > simulacrum *pretends* to be a faithful copy, but it is a copy with no > original. Signs and images claim to represent something real, but no > representation is taking place and arbitrary images are merely suggested > as > things which they have no relationship to. Baudrillard calls this the > "order of sorcery", a regime of > semantic<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantics>algebra where all human > meaning is conjured artificially to appear as a > reference to the (increasingly) hermetic truth. > 4. The fourth stage is pure simulation, in which the simulacrum has no > relationship to any reality whatsoever. Here, signs merely reflect other > signs and any claim to reality on the part of images or signs is only of > the order of other such claims. This is a regime of total equivalency, > where cultural products need no longer even pretend to be real in a naïve > sense, because the experiences of consumers' lives are so predominantly > artificial that even claims to reality are expected to be phrased in > artificial, "hyperreal" terms. Any naïve pretension to reality as such is > perceived as bereft of critical self-awareness, and thus as > oversentimental. > > Awareness is zero level. It cannot be copied because awareness is ontologically identical with authenticity and genuine originality. Every instantiation of awareness is an unrepeatable local containment of the pansensitive/metaphenomenal substrate. Even identical twins are not copies, but separate, rhyming instances of irreducible originality. Craig > > David > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ------------------------------ > From: Craig Weinberg > Sent: 15/02/2014 23:06 > To: everyth...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > Cc: da...@davidnyman.com <javascript:> > Subject: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room > > > > On Saturday, February 15, 2014 3:43:29 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > >> On 15 February 2014 18:32, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> You can't copy awareness. Awareness is what is uncopyable, not just >>> because awareness is special, but because it is ontologically perpendicular >>> to the possibility of simulation. All attempts to copy awareness result in >>> a doll. >> >> >> Does that then entail that if a conscious amoeba were to fission, the >> resulting two amoebae would be unconscious? Or only one of them? >> > > That's not a copy of an amoeba, reproducing its body is part of what an > amoeba does. > > >> >> David >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
