On Friday, February 14, 2014 10:23:35 PM UTC-5, Kim Jones wrote: > > > > On 15 Feb 2014, at 1:09 pm, meekerdb <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > On 2/14/2014 4:24 PM, Kim Jones wrote: > > > On 14 Feb 2014, at 3:42 pm, Russell Standish > <[email protected]<javascript:>> > wrote: > > What about the CMBR? When it was created there were (presumably) no > > observers in existence in the universe. Are you saying it wouldn't exist if > we hadn't evolved to detect it (e.g. if humans hadn't evolved, or if we had > never invented radio telescopes) ? > > > Yes - exactly. > > > > > A direct consequence of The Reversal. First comes Mind. Physics and > matter and the 3D holographic farmyard are a long way down the road. > I hope no one is assuming that it requires something as weird as a “human” > to implement consciousness. > Something as basic as a Boltzmann brain would be in principle, instantly > possible in any universe, surely. > > > > Of course Boltzmann brains are notoriously transient, so we're to think of > the universe (or at least pieces of past light cones) blinking in and out > of existence. Or does that take a Boltzmann brain plus optic nerves and > eyes and a Boltzmann telescope? > > Brent > > > A mind without a "hosting apparatus" is the entity I am struggling to > describe. I have no trouble with the notion that consciousness can simply > exist with no extra qualifiers whatsoever. We are talking about that which > simply exists - when it exists, where it exists, its characteristics etc. > are another story. I don't know whether such questions are even relevant. > > Kim >
Existence, when, where, and characteristics would all be conditions within the primordial capacity for experience. Craig > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
