> On 15 Feb 2014, at 1:09 pm, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 2/14/2014 4:24 PM, Kim Jones wrote: >> >>> On 14 Feb 2014, at 3:42 pm, Russell Standish <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>> What about the CMBR? When it was created there were (presumably) no >>>> observers in existence in the universe. Are you saying it wouldn't exist if >>>> we hadn't evolved to detect it (e.g. if humans hadn't evolved, or if we had >>>> never invented radio telescopes) ? >>> >>> Yes - exactly. >> >> >> >> A direct consequence of The Reversal. First comes Mind. Physics and matter >> and the 3D holographic farmyard are a long way down the road. >> I hope no one is assuming that it requires something as weird as a “human” >> to implement consciousness. >> Something as basic as a Boltzmann brain would be in principle, instantly >> possible in any universe, surely. > > > Of course Boltzmann brains are notoriously transient, so we're to think of > the universe (or at least pieces of past light cones) blinking in and out of > existence. Or does that take a Boltzmann brain plus optic nerves and eyes > and a Boltzmann telescope? > > Brent
A mind without a "hosting apparatus" is the entity I am struggling to describe. I have no trouble with the notion that consciousness can simply exist with no extra qualifiers whatsoever. We are talking about that which simply exists - when it exists, where it exists, its characteristics etc. are another story. I don't know whether such questions are even relevant. Kim > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
