2014-02-26 7:21 GMT+01:00 chris peck <[email protected]>: > Hi Bruno > > > >> Yes, it is the common confusion between 1 and 3 views. > > There is no such confusion. I haven't seen anyone confusing these. > > > >>She should have said: "whatever she knows she will see, she should > expect (with certainty!) to see SOMETHING definite". > > But, If she had of said that you'd both be wrong! > > >> And in the 1p it is obvious she will never see both outcome". > > You need to stop confusing what is seen with what can be expected to be > seen. I think that's the source of many of your mistakes. She can expect to > see each outcome without being committed to the view that either future > self sees both. All that 1p,3p,3-1p,1-3p stuff is a rubbishy smoke screen > to divert attention from the simple error you make here, isn't it? >
She can make a probabilistic prediction as you can make in MWI... you're the one wanting to say probability are wrong, but only the interpretation of what is probability change in MWI (and duplication settings)... not the prediction... if you say it is totally useless, then you're ready to make a bet with me (as everything for your has equal probability of happening...) Quentin > > All the best > > Chris. > > ------------------------------ > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room) > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 05:26:02 +0100 > > > > On 25 Feb 2014, at 07:31, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > Greaves rejects subjective uncertainty. With respect to spin up and spin > down pay special attention to the point in section 4.1 where, in discussion > of a thought experiment formally identical to Bruno's step 3, he argues: > > *"What ... should Alice expect to see? Here I invoke the following > premise: whatever she knows she will see, she should expect (with > certainty!) to see. So, she should (with certainty) expect to see spin-up, > and she should (with certainty) expect to see spin-down."* > > That's nonsense, and contrary to observed fact. > > > > Yes, it is the common confusion between 1 and 3 views. She should have > said: > > > "whatever she knows she will see, she should expect (with certainty!) to > see SOMETHING definite". And in the 1p it is obvious she will never see > both outcome". > > Bruno > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
