2014-02-26 7:31 GMT+01:00 chris peck <[email protected]>: > Hi Liz > > > *>> I meant changed from our everyday definition, in which we normally > assume there is only one you, which is (or is at least associated with) > your physical structure. Which we generally assume exists in one universe.* > > We lose that definition just by stepping into the realm of MWI don't we? > Its not as if we can have use of it in MWI until we want to argue that we > will always see 'spin up'. > > MWI forces upon us either the complete abandonment of any notion of > personal identity over time, or the equal distribution of it through all > the branches in which 'we' appear. >
That's where your wrong... that would mean all branches have equal measure, where it must not, if MWI must be in accordance with QM. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm-manyworlds/#PRPO > > All the best > > Chris. > > ------------------------------ > From: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 07:28:53 +0100 > > Subject: Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room) > To: [email protected] > > > > > > 2014-02-26 7:21 GMT+01:00 chris peck <[email protected]>: > > Hi Bruno > > > >> Yes, it is the common confusion between 1 and 3 views. > > There is no such confusion. I haven't seen anyone confusing these. > > > >>She should have said: "whatever she knows she will see, she should > expect (with certainty!) to see SOMETHING definite". > > But, If she had of said that you'd both be wrong! > > >> And in the 1p it is obvious she will never see both outcome". > > You need to stop confusing what is seen with what can be expected to be > seen. I think that's the source of many of your mistakes. She can expect to > see each outcome without being committed to the view that either future > self sees both. All that 1p,3p,3-1p,1-3p stuff is a rubbishy smoke screen > to divert attention from the simple error you make here, isn't it? > > > She can make a probabilistic prediction as you can make in MWI... you're > the one wanting to say probability are wrong, but only the interpretation > of what is probability change in MWI (and duplication settings)... not the > prediction... if you say it is totally useless, then you're ready to make a > bet with me (as everything for your has equal probability of happening...) > > Quentin > > > All the best > > Chris. > > ------------------------------ > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room) > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 05:26:02 +0100 > > > > On 25 Feb 2014, at 07:31, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > Greaves rejects subjective uncertainty. With respect to spin up and spin > down pay special attention to the point in section 4.1 where, in discussion > of a thought experiment formally identical to Bruno's step 3, he argues: > > *"What ... should Alice expect to see? Here I invoke the following > premise: whatever she knows she will see, she should expect (with > certainty!) to see. So, she should (with certainty) expect to see spin-up, > and she should (with certainty) expect to see spin-down."* > > That's nonsense, and contrary to observed fact. > > > > Yes, it is the common confusion between 1 and 3 views. She should have > said: > > > "whatever she knows she will see, she should expect (with certainty!) to > see SOMETHING definite". And in the 1p it is obvious she will never see > both outcome". > > Bruno > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. 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