2014-02-26 7:28 GMT+01:00 Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>: > > > > 2014-02-26 7:21 GMT+01:00 chris peck <[email protected]>: > > Hi Bruno >> >> >> >> Yes, it is the common confusion between 1 and 3 views. >> >> There is no such confusion. I haven't seen anyone confusing these. >> >> >> >>She should have said: "whatever she knows she will see, she should >> expect (with certainty!) to see SOMETHING definite". >> >> But, If she had of said that you'd both be wrong! >> >> >> And in the 1p it is obvious she will never see both outcome". >> >> You need to stop confusing what is seen with what can be expected to be >> seen. I think that's the source of many of your mistakes. She can expect to >> see each outcome without being committed to the view that either future >> self sees both. All that 1p,3p,3-1p,1-3p stuff is a rubbishy smoke screen >> to divert attention from the simple error you make here, isn't it? >> > And so your error come from the no probability smoke screen you use as defense... Don't say Deutsch follows you, he accept probabilistic prediction, he even explains at length how a rational agent in MWI would follow the probabilistic distribution when making a choice.
Quentin > > She can make a probabilistic prediction as you can make in MWI... you're > the one wanting to say probability are wrong, but only the interpretation > of what is probability change in MWI (and duplication settings)... not the > prediction... if you say it is totally useless, then you're ready to make a > bet with me (as everything for your has equal probability of happening...) > > Quentin > >> >> All the best >> >> Chris. >> >> ------------------------------ >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: 3-1 views (was: Re: Better Than the Chinese Room) >> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 05:26:02 +0100 >> >> >> >> On 25 Feb 2014, at 07:31, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> Greaves rejects subjective uncertainty. With respect to spin up and spin >> down pay special attention to the point in section 4.1 where, in discussion >> of a thought experiment formally identical to Bruno's step 3, he argues: >> >> *"What ... should Alice expect to see? Here I invoke the following >> premise: whatever she knows she will see, she should expect (with >> certainty!) to see. So, she should (with certainty) expect to see spin-up, >> and she should (with certainty) expect to see spin-down."* >> >> That's nonsense, and contrary to observed fact. >> >> >> >> Yes, it is the common confusion between 1 and 3 views. She should have >> said: >> >> >> "whatever she knows she will see, she should expect (with certainty!) to >> see SOMETHING definite". And in the 1p it is obvious she will never see >> both outcome". >> >> Bruno >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy > Batty/Rutger Hauer) > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
