On 8 March 2014 15:13, Edgar L. Owen <[email protected]> wrote:

> Brent,
>
> But we CAN see atoms. They are routinely imaged. That's just a matter of
> using a powerful enough microscope. But we can't see empty space no matter
> how good a microscope or telescope we make.
>
> That's why I pointed out it's an ontological difference. Seeing atoms is
> just a matter of using the right observation device, but seeing empty space
> is impossible with ANY observational device no matter how powerful....
>

The point was that in Mach's time that wasn't the case. So at the time
there was no ontological difference, and I was making the comparison with
Mach at the time. You have to understand the context when you attempt to
answer someone else's points.

Atoms were, however, our best explanation at the time for various
observations, just as space is our best explanation for certain
observations now. And as even Brent has now agreed, we don't observe
anything directly - atoms, space-time or whatever, so the whole argument
that space doesn't exist because we don't observe it begs the question of
what we do actually observe.

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