>>  and prefer my songs interesting and quirky and catchy and fun (or in the 
>> case of the Smiths, the opposite of fun)

(OK, except for "Poker face" :-)


Yeah I used to furrow my brow a lot and listen to thought provoking gloom but 
these days fun is where its at.  Lady G gets a lot of air time at home and Im 
enjoying Kitty, Daisy and Lewis at the moment with their yummy analogue 
production and retro sensibility. I  give them a plug whenever I can. 

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:48:35 -0700
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: The way the future was


On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:21:52 PM UTC, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, March 10, 2014 1:49:01 PM UTC, chris peck wrote:


>> you are saying that something musically significant happened here

Something significant happened to pop music for sure.

In 1977 the charts were dominated by David Soul, Rod Stewart, Brotherhood of 
Man, Leo Sayer, Hot Chocolate, Boney M, Shawaddywaddy and Billy Ocean. Daddy 
Cool. Rockin' All Over the World and Yes Sir, I can Boogie.

And then:

Dragged on a table in factory

Illegitimate place to be

In a packet in a lavatory

Die little baby screaming

Body screaming fucking bloody mess

Not an animal

It's an abortion



Body! I'm not animal

Mummy! I'm not an abortion


It kind of hits you in the face with the reality as experienced by the 
dispossessed and disenfranchised, but in a very immediate and visceral way. Its 
far more gut wrenching and confrontational than iggy pop, or the clash or any 
other punk band I know of. Most people are so offended someone is singing about 
abortion that they miss the fact that the song is an argument between the 
unborn child and the mother. For a spotty teenager that's pretty brainy 
lyrically and very surreal. 

 I don't think it was ever matched until the Pixies really.

I stand by the Pistols. True, Rotten is a twat now. He wasn't then though.
  I think they were shit, but then it was all just a little before my time. I 
ran away from care homes about 1980 to fine my estranged mum shacked up with 
the ex Crass guitarist Steve Herman in some shitty squat called trentishoe 
mansions. From there I moved out to live with the punks and skins of the west 
end 1980 generation. Better than a care home hee hee. It were great funny 
actually. But...all the biggest idiots always had sex pistols tattoos and sid 
vicious jackets. The music they made was rubbish. An d tends to be remembered 
as punk. Which even I buy into, hence surprise at that clash sound up the top 
of the thread. All the others liz mentioned were much better, though I couldn't 
have named them myself. Much more a case of, I lived it  but I couldn't paint 
it.

> From: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: The way the future was
> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:03:43 +1100
> To: [email protected]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On 10 Mar 2014, at 4:30 am, [email protected] wrote:
> > 
> > Although I have very little good to say about Malcolm McLaren he did 
> > arguably launch a whole new musical experience with the Sex Pistols, a type 
> > of music which had until then only been underground (Rezillos? B52s ?) but 
> > bubbled to the surface when Rotten et al appeared on prime time TV swearing 
> > away. The world was never the same.
> 
> I lived through it and was even more the same after it. With all due respect, 
> you are saying that something musically significant happened here but I only 
> ever heard "racket and rubbish" from Johnny Rotten. I mean, he called himself 
> rotten for a reason. He was. He was musically as rotten as festering shit. 
> What was musically significant about the Sex Pistols? I mean, concerning the 
> actual elements of music. Things like pitch, rhythm, harmony, melody - all 
> that core stuff. His music shows no skill whatsoever at those things. But 
> then he didn't even write his own music because he was too off his dial most 
> of the time. None of this precludes the distinct possibility that you, as I 
> myself still do, find vastly entertaining, listening to the Sex Pistols very 
> occasionally. I often do listen to music I really hate if only to realise why 
> in ever more glory that I love the music I really do love...
> 
> Feel free to hate this post creatively in some way. McClaren would have.
> 
> Kim
> 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUwW108ITzw 




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