All sounds very plausible to me, PGC. Especially the Neolithic rockers. Live fast and die young, indeed...
On 11 March 2014 12:26, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <[email protected]>wrote: > Electric instruments just amplified what was already here. > > Beethoven istm was first in rock, metal, punk etc. all the way to dubstep > department;crystallizing sound's relations with explosive power, defiance, > melancholy or magnificence. > > Bach was more goth than punk, I'd guess, especially with the organ. > > Or you could see the origins of jagged, animalistic, primal fifth-based > harmony in medieval music of ars antiqua and ars nova as the seed of power > etc. All of heavy metal, rock, punk etc. is slave to what we call the power > chord; albeit today's punk rockers are quite dogmatic regarding the harmony > be expressed with distorted guitars. > > Then maybe the old Greeks rocked like nobody had ever rocked before, but > we lack patches of history to know what they really sounded like. > > Or the stoners 60 thousand years ago with flutes, bones, rocks, and sticks > might have already been 'rocking', as they certainly had the 'homeless > nomadic take no prisoners perpetually alienated in hostile environment' > thing of punk going. Yes, even the funky hairstyles and ritual clothing > would be plausible ;-) PGC > > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 7:45 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have 4 pistols tracks in my very large and eclectic MP3 music >> collection, along with many others generally called punk. >> John Lydon also gave me my all time favourite headline, "Sex pistol >> attacks New Zealand butter". >> >> I even managed to turn it into a crossword clue - >> >> Enthusiastically attack butter (4) >> >> ...but anyway, yes, I like the Pistols some of the time, even if they >> were McLaren's "boy band" really. >> >> PS whoever put Hendrix as a proto punk should on the same basis add Cream >> and even the Stones. (At this rate everyone will be in on it...) >> >> >> >> >> On 11 March 2014 02:49, chris peck <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> you are saying that something musically significant happened here >>> >>> Something significant happened to pop music for sure. >>> >>> In 1977 the charts were dominated by David Soul, Rod Stewart, >>> Brotherhood of Man, Leo Sayer, Hot Chocolate, Boney M, Shawaddywaddy and >>> Billy Ocean. Daddy Cool. Rockin' All Over the World and Yes Sir, I can >>> Boogie. >>> >>> And then: >>> >>> Dragged on a table in factory >>> Illegitimate place to be >>> In a packet in a lavatory >>> Die little baby screaming >>> Body screaming fucking bloody mess >>> Not an animal >>> It's an abortion >>> >>> Body! I'm not animal >>> Mummy! I'm not an abortion >>> >>> >>> It kind of hits you in the face with the reality as experienced by the >>> dispossessed and disenfranchised, but in a very immediate and visceral way. >>> Its far more gut wrenching and confrontational than iggy pop, or the clash >>> or any other punk band I know of. Most people are so offended someone is >>> singing about abortion that they miss the fact that the song is an argument >>> between the unborn child and the mother. For a spotty teenager that's >>> pretty brainy lyrically and very surreal. >>> >>> I don't think it was ever matched until the Pixies really. >>> >>> I stand by the Pistols. True, Rotten is a twat now. He wasn't then >>> though. >>> >>> >>> > From: [email protected] >>> >>> > Subject: Re: The way the future was >>> > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:03:43 +1100 >>> > To: [email protected] >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > On 10 Mar 2014, at 4:30 am, [email protected] wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Although I have very little good to say about Malcolm McLaren he did >>> arguably launch a whole new musical experience with the Sex Pistols, a type >>> of music which had until then only been underground (Rezillos? B52s ?) but >>> bubbled to the surface when Rotten et al appeared on prime time TV swearing >>> away. The world was never the same. >>> > >>> > I lived through it and was even more the same after it. With all due >>> respect, you are saying that something musically significant happened here >>> but I only ever heard "racket and rubbish" from Johnny Rotten. I mean, he >>> called himself rotten for a reason. He was. He was musically as rotten as >>> festering shit. What was musically significant about the Sex Pistols? I >>> mean, concerning the actual elements of music. Things like pitch, rhythm, >>> harmony, melody - all that core stuff. His music shows no skill whatsoever >>> at those things. But then he didn't even write his own music because he was >>> too off his dial most of the time. None of this precludes the distinct >>> possibility that you, as I myself still do, find vastly entertaining, >>> listening to the Sex Pistols very occasionally. I often do listen to music >>> I really hate if only to realise why in ever more glory that I love the >>> music I really do love... >>> > >>> > Feel free to hate this post creatively in some way. 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