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Subject: Re: The way the future was
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:59 AM, chris peck <chris_peck...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Hi PGC
yep. All art, like language, has an etymology.
The Pistols weren't special because they did anything 'new', but because
they did something that challenged the status quo of the time. When it comes
to shocking people The Rite of Spring had the audience rioting at its
premier, so suck on that Johnny Rotten!
The Pistols were special because they ripped off David Bowie's sound system.
Literally that's how they got their sound; at least the amplification
component of it.
Chris
>>All of heavy metal, rock, punk etc. is slave to what we call the power
chord; albeit today's punk rockers are quite dogmatic regarding the harmony
be expressed with distorted guitars.
Yes, thats true, but I don't think punk rock is really about musical
innovation is it?
These guys make a good argument that all pop of the past 40 years is
essentially the same single song, you might like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I
Yes, I can see that and raise it, while shooting it down too: in terms of
most parameters (not exclusively that harmonic sequence, funny as the video
is), what is often called pop is western romantic era song form,
overemphasizing particularities like blue notes, certain African
polyrhythms, suspension and blue use of dominant harmonies and progressions,
what is perceived as ethnic etc.I think 'buzz' or new styles always exhibit
some local bias/overemphasis on a set of particular musical properties that
proves ''not us, man. We've reinvented a better wheel' as opposed to the
locally more worn kitsch. And, in the vague overlapping spans of
generations, they do and they don't.
So the swing guys started to bebob, and they then hard bobbed because things
weren't fast enough, then some guys felt this too hasty and became cool; in
mid 20th century Jazz say. With recording technology and computers this
effect explodes to the point that you know nobody who knows all current
stylistic phenomena, branches, sub-branches...
But, I enjoy when people share their musical tastes and fetishes, however
they break it down, and always meet a new musical conception whenever
somebody bumps into me.
''Wow, ok that is the thing for them. Amazing, I always thought that's..''
PGC
>>Or the stoners 60 thousand years ago with flutes, bones, rocks, and sticks
might have already been 'rocking', as they certainly had the 'homeless
nomadic take no prisoners perpetually alienated in hostile environment'
thing of punk going. Yes, even the funky hairstyles and ritual clothing
would be plausible ;-) PGC
Im sure you're right.
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From: chris_peck...@hotmail.com
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Subject: RE: The way the future was
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:58:50 +0000
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Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 00:26:56 +0100
Subject: Re: The way the future was
From: multiplecit...@gmail.com
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Electric instruments just amplified what was already here.
Beethoven istm was first in rock, metal, punk etc. all the way to dubstep
department;crystallizing sound's relations with explosive power, defiance,
melancholy or magnificence.
Bach was more goth than punk, I'd guess, especially with the organ.
Or you could see the origins of jagged, animalistic, primal fifth-based
harmony in medieval music of ars antiqua and ars nova as the seed of power
etc. All of heavy metal, rock, punk etc. is slave to what we call the power
chord; albeit today's punk rockers are quite dogmatic regarding the harmony
be expressed with distorted guitars.
Then maybe the old Greeks rocked like nobody had ever rocked before, but we
lack patches of history to know what they really sounded like.
Or the stoners 60 thousand years ago with flutes, bones, rocks, and sticks
might have already been 'rocking', as they certainly had the 'homeless
nomadic take no prisoners perpetually alienated in hostile environment'
thing of punk going. Yes, even the funky hairstyles and ritual clothing
would be plausible ;-) PGC
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 7:45 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have 4 pistols tracks in my very large and eclectic MP3 music collection,
along with many others generally called punk.
John Lydon also gave me my all time favourite headline, "Sex pistol attacks
New Zealand butter".
I even managed to turn it into a crossword clue -
Enthusiastically attack butter (4)
...but anyway, yes, I like the Pistols some of the time, even if they were
McLaren's "boy band" really.
PS whoever put Hendrix as a proto punk should on the same basis add Cream
and even the Stones. (At this rate everyone will be in on it...)
On 11 March 2014 02:49, chris peck <chris_peck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> you are saying that something musically significant happened here
Something significant happened to pop music for sure.
In 1977 the charts were dominated by David Soul, Rod Stewart, Brotherhood of
Man, Leo Sayer, Hot Chocolate, Boney M, Shawaddywaddy and Billy Ocean. Daddy
Cool. Rockin' All Over the World and Yes Sir, I can Boogie.
And then:
Dragged on a table in factory
Illegitimate place to be
In a packet in a lavatory
Die little baby screaming
Body screaming fucking bloody mess
Not an animal
It's an abortion
Body! I'm not animal
Mummy! I'm not an abortion
It kind of hits you in the face with the reality as experienced by the
dispossessed and disenfranchised, but in a very immediate and visceral way.
Its far more gut wrenching and confrontational than iggy pop, or the clash
or any other punk band I know of. Most people are so offended someone is
singing about abortion that they miss the fact that the song is an argument
between the unborn child and the mother. For a spotty teenager that's pretty
brainy lyrically and very surreal.
I don't think it was ever matched until the Pixies really.
I stand by the Pistols. True, Rotten is a twat now. He wasn't then though.
> From: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au
> Subject: Re: The way the future was
> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:03:43 +1100
> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
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> > On 10 Mar 2014, at 4:30 am, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > Although I have very little good to say about Malcolm McLaren he did
arguably launch a whole new musical experience with the Sex Pistols, a type
of music which had until then only been underground (Rezillos? B52s ?) but
bubbled to the surface when Rotten et al appeared on prime time TV swearing
away. The world was never the same.
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> I lived through it and was even more the same after it. With all due
respect, you are saying that something musically significant happened here
but I only ever heard "racket and rubbish" from Johnny Rotten. I mean, he
called himself rotten for a reason. He was. He was musically as rotten as
festering shit. What was musically significant about the Sex Pistols? I
mean, concerning the actual elements of music. Things like pitch, rhythm,
harmony, melody - all that core stuff. His music shows no skill whatsoever
at those things. But then he didn't even write his own music because he was
too off his dial most of the time. None of this precludes the distinct
possibility that you, as I myself still do, find vastly entertaining,
listening to the Sex Pistols very occasionally. I often do listen to music I
really hate if only to realise why in ever more glory that I love the music
I really do love...
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> Feel free to hate this post creatively in some way. McClaren would have.
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> Kim
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