Chris de Morsella <[email protected]> on Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 1:44 AM
> > Are you trying to imply that species are not dying off at alarming rate? > I hate to see any species go extinct (except for the Smallpox virus) but there are other things that alarm me more. > >>I don't think so but even if you're right do you have a solution that >> doesn't involve the extinction or at least a major culling of my very >> favorite animal? If so let's hear it. >> > > > What a total false choice you offer. If I disagree with your views then > unless I have all the answers... what John? > If you don't know of a cure for global warming that isn't worse than the disease then it's pointless to continue to wring your hands about it and you should concentrate on problems that you might actually be able to solve. > I give us a 50% chance of going out with nuclear war > I think the possibility of nuclear war is much less than it was a few decades ago but it's still the single greatest threat facing the human race. But hey, look on the bright side, if we're all incinerated in a nuclear fireball we don't have to sweat about a little thing like global warming. > > I put our probability of avoiding planetary economic collapse and a die > off of the like no one has experienced since the eruption of Toba on the > low side. > If we're all doomed then environmentalists should stop bugging us over trivialities and let us enjoy the little time we have left. > > Does that mean I wish for this? Hell no it doesn't; it means I am > realistic > Dramatist would be a better word. > > and it is a mess whether you choose to believe it is or not. Look at any > metric: deforestation; desertification, loss of top soil, loss of organic > matter content in farmed soils. Add to this the impending downslope for all > fossil fuels and all fossil water. Add to this the blow back effects of > loss of watershed; climate change; ocean ecology collapse > Don't bother me with the small stuff, the nukes are about to fly! > > Anything we try to do is going to take energy to do - and lots and lots > of energy. Even to build - say to pick your fav a Nuclear power complex. It > takes huge quantities of fossil fuel to make the cement, steel, to operate > the mines, to transport everything. > Exactly, so unless you can't wait to see billions die to continue to behave as if fossil fuel is the personification of evil is just dumb. > > We are in the twilight of the oil age > I prefer the Harry Potter books. > > and have become petro-junkies. [..] I give it even odds that we will do > what junkies do and self-destruct > If you think there is only one chance in four that we won't nuke ourselves or die as a junkie then why the hell are you losing sleep over a little thing like global warming? > > Do, I have hope... yes, as a matter of fact I do maybe about 1%-5% chance > we will get our shit together in time. > And I would estimate that there is about a 1% to 5% chance your estimate of a 1% to 5% chance we will survive is correct. > > What do you think the real reason is for the globally very anemic > "recovery" from the collapse of 2007-2008? Does it perhaps dawn on you that > peak oil might have something to do with it? > I hate to disappoint you but the second coming and the peak oil Armageddon that will punish the profligate for their sinful ways is still a ways off. The USA has embraced fracking technology as no other part of the world has and as a result oil production in the USA is the highest it's been in 24 years and it now produces more oil than Saudi Arabia. In 2012 oil production increased in the USA by 760,000 barrels a day, the largest yearly increase since records about oil production started in 1859. And the increase in natural gas production is every bit as dramatic. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
