Hers where clarification is needed. The Permian extinction took the better part of 2million years according to geophysicists and geochemists. Volcano city, rather than the 66 million year old Dinosaur Killer. However, there was the great 55 million year old extinction as well, which was not to be believed as heavy as the Permian or the Comet. That too, took a period of 500K years. I am interested in possible fixes or trade offs. How do the progressives plan to attempt remediation of species web collapse, what do they propose? What I have seen is they ignore these questions and instead seek human die off and global poverty. They never admit it, because then they can't claim to do good for the poor, middle classes, Joe Sixpack. They are like the Fabians, whose flag is, humorously, a wolf in seeps clothing. See! We're doing it to save the world! Yeah.
-----Original Message----- From: Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wed, Mar 12, 2014 11:40 am Subject: RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark On Behalf Of LizR >> I must admit I've heard the extinction rate is way higher than usual - >> asteroid / methane burp high. (Although if it's us or them, as I said, >> that's a different story...) >Liz – it is not hearsay [...] There is substantial, incontrovertible evidence >that the extinction rate has literally spiked through the roof. >>That's not just hearsay it's idiotic. 66 million years ago 2/3 of all >>species, not individual animals but entire species, became extinct quite >>literally overnight, and 252 million years ago it was even worse, the >>extinction rate was 90%. What we're experiencing now is not even a burp. You do not know that those extinction events happened overnight – in fact you are wrong on that. The asteroid may have impacted off of the Yucatan overnight, but it could have taken decades and even hundreds of years to play out, and to us looking back from 66 million years it would all seem like it happened in an instant of time. Know one knows what caused the Great Permian Extinction – there are hypothesis, but the argument is still unsettled. That extinction event could have taken many thousands of years to run its course – maybe even tens of thousands of years. Overnight? How many nights is that? Besides a few numbers, about other extinction events in the very distant past you have stated nothing more than your opinion colored by multiple adjectives. Unless you have some – factual -- basis to dispute that the available data suggests that the current rate of species extinction – going on right now in our contemporary times – is around 10,000 times the average background rate (species go extinct every year and have been for as long as there has been life, but it is the rate at which this is happening that has spiked through the roof)… unless you have a fact based argument… you have nothing but your anger and hatred of greens, which may work for you, but is not science based. You, I and everyone cannot see it for what it is, because we live a mere hundred years (if we are lucky) – we are within a blip in time. You speak of events from scores or hundreds of millions of years ago. How would it have looked to a contemporary. We see the KT boundary as marking an instant in time, but how long in years did it take for the two extinction events you mentioned to play out. It seems like an instant in time to us, because we are at such far remove from it. And people do not recognize that we are living in the midst of another great extinction event because our temporal perspective is day by day – and not decade by decade and century by century. If you are going to dispute the data – you will need to dispute the data. > That this is so should really make thinking people question why? It's no great mystery why some animals become extinct today, it's because 7 billion large mammals of the exact same species have spread from the pole to the equator, and that has never happened before. It would have been amazing if a event like that didn't cause a few animals to join the 99.9% that have already gone extinct in the last 3 billion years. It is not a few animals John—despite what you choose to believe – we humans have triggered and are the cause of what is the beginning stages of a great extinction event. You deny this -- with vehemence – but the data supports the claim that the current extinction rate is around 10,000 times the usual levels. You choose to call that “a few animals” – I find it amazing, what ideology will make otherwise smart people do and say. Chris John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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