To both you and John: If I wanted a subscription to Wall Street journal, USA Today, Fox etc. I'd buy them
If I wanted lectures from the Green Party, the International Socialist Movement. or any Marxist cult, I'd have joined them and would be agreeing with you. I want technical solutions while some demand, in essence, a dictatorship that is conducive to themselves. Your point seems to be you don't really desire answers that would benefit the forests, fields, seas, and skies, but instead simply insist on total government rule. It goes to my point earlier, about using troubles as an excuse to gain more power, rather then trouble shoot. To both you and John: If I wanted a subscription to Wall Street journal, USA Today, Fox etc. I'd buy them -----Original Message----- From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 3:01 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:10 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: Here's an article that informs me, if nobody else, how complicated the climate thing is. http://phys.org/news/2014-03-goldilocks-principle-hypothesis-earth-habitability.html Beyond that I agree with John on his estimate of cutting the standard of living down, to fit the ideal "environmental foot print." Improving the standard of living with better energy technology will sustain the billions and flourish the ecosystem-if done right. Technology is the answer, sans, government rule of the public. Dictatorships, even well-meaning ones, are horrible. Use Mao's approach to agricultural production during the Great Leap Forward from 1958-62, as a prime example. To both you and John: If I wanted a subscription to Wall Street journal, USA Today, Fox etc. I'd buy them. Your posts are just redundant because skimming them, I see all the same word groups as the above media channels; thus I don't even bother to read. I appreciate rational posts that are not naive to global systemic imbalances, how they can be formulated by which data, how they can be accelerated, mitigated etc. So grind your political axes elsewhere please or open political threads, that I and the members that feel similarly on the issue, can ignore. From Europe, I don't really care for the whole US progressives vs. conservatives thing... Just data concerning sustainability of energy, ecological systems etc. on specified levels, and what can/could be done about it, and not some preaching for how liberated ego should do all the ugly and stupid things it wants because this is what freedom means and scientists are flawed, complexity makes everything relative/undecidable etc. kind of junk. It's the same voice that rings through those media channels: I don't need a lesson in freedom from the lobbies that eavesdrop and conduct unilateral military stuff on the entire world for the "security of said freedom"; again: I can buy those subscriptions to dictatorship propaganda of those interests myself, if I cared. PGC -----Original Message----- From: Chris de Morsella <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 12:22 pm Subject: RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Chris de Morsella <[email protected]> wrote: > I have offered quite a few prescriptions – none of which you will approve of, > because they entail the adoption of a new ethic of material frugality, of > having a light footprint, and of adopting sustainable practices, as we also > phase out current unsustainable ones. You seem to be violently opposed to the > very idea of such an ethic >>I am violently opposed to your prescriptions because they can NOT keep the >>present world population alive, BILLIONS would die horribly. So don't give me >>any of that righteous moral high ground crap environmentalists wallow in. Bull shit! Billions will die if we continue along our current course of consuming resources as fast as the global market can possibly manage. Don’t give me your righteous crap. Your – do nothing attitude is a guarantee that billions of people will die and that most species on earth will go extinct. In just fifty years or so the market driven industrial economies of the Oil Age have managed to burn through around half of everything – and John Clark – says full speed ahead. You are so full of it John I am amazed you do not just burst in a giant shit storm. So fuck you asshole, and your incendiary accusations of genocide that you level – without any basis – at those who do not share your magical thinking cornucopian ideology of eternally and magically self-replenishing resource base. This world has limits and we have reached them. > and are hostile to energy harvesting – the solar flux, the wind. I would be in favor of them if they worked, but environmentalists would be in favor of them only if they don't work. To environmentalists new energy sources are fine as long as it's all just theoretical, but as soon as it starts to look practical and somebody tries to actually build a large solar or wind instillation they do everything they can to stop it. Screw you. The facts on the ground tell a different story. The pace and scale of the global solar PV rollout proves that you are full of shit Mr. Clark. > All the various threads of our world’s problems are rooted in the same evil > system that has elevated naked greed to the supreme preeminent level. All our problems are rooted in the same thing, SIN; so repent now or suffer the just punishment of the Environmental Gods! You should have been a preacher, but then now that I think about it, you already are. And you should have been a propagandist, but then come to think of it you already are. Asshole. 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