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From: John Clark <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Climate models
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Chris de Morsella <[email protected]> wrote:
John your argumentative nature has boxed you into defending a monumentally
idiotic position. Please, I know you cannot be this stupid. The world energy
consumption figure you are basing your entire edifice of argumentative-induced
idiocy off of is 1.5 * 10^15 watt HOURS [see link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_consumption] Do you notice how this
figure -- and please do reference the wiki link for confirmation -- is
expressed in terawatt-hours
If you are going to insist that the world is consuming power at an averaged
continuous rate of 1.5 * 10^15 w/h then in order to get the total annual world
energy consumption you need to multiply this RATE of Power (expressed in w/h)
by the number of hours in a year -- e.g. 8760
Are you stating that the world consumes 1.3 10^19 watt hours per year of
energy? If so you are wrong and by a whopping four orders of magnitude.
Come on man, climb down from this tree; admit you mistook annual global energy
consumption expressed in terms of w/h for the averaged continuous rate of power
produced/consumed... and move on with your life. The longer you continue to
loudly proclaim I am idiot for pointing this out, the more stupid you make
yourself look. Everyone makes mistakes John. Just admit it and move on. Why
continue to make yourself look stupid?
Chris
Me: OK I'm going to go over this one more time very slowly and I'll try not to
use too many big words. First let's assume that solar cells work 5 times better
than they really do and the capacity factor is 1 instead of .2, then worldwide
solar cells would produce 1.5*10^11 watts of POWER. And in one hour PV would
produce 1.5*10^11 watt-hours of ENERGY. And in one year it would produce 365*24
= 8760 times that much or 1.3*10^15 watt-hours of ENERGY. And now lets see how
much POWER would be required to run human technology, it's 1.5 *10^17 watts of
POWER. And to run it for one hour would require 1.5*10^17 watt-hours of ENERGY.
And to run it for one year would require 365*24 = 8760 times that much or
1.3*10^21 watt-hours of ENERGY. Now let's work on findings percentages. A
percentage is a pure number with no units and ENERGY and POWER have different
units, so you can't divide ENERGY by POWER as you did and expect to get
anything meaningful, but you can
divide POWER by POWER and if you divide 1.5*10^11 watts of POWER by 1.5 *10^17
watts of POWER you get the pure number .000001. Or you could divide the amount
of ENERGY solar cells produce in one hour, 1.5*10^11 watt-hours by the amount
of ENERGY required to operate technology for one hour 1.5*10^17 watt-hours of
ENERGY, and we still get the pure number .000001. Or you could divide the
amount of ENERGY solar cells produce in one year, 1.3*10^15 watt-hours of
ENERGY, by the amount of ENERGY required to operate technology for one year,
1.3*10^21 watt-hours of ENERGY, and we STILL get the pure number .000001 And
that is why I originally said photovoltaics provide .0001% of demand. However
you said that in the real world solar cells are much worse than that and the
capacity factor is not 1 but is .2, and that seems about right to me, so they
only produce 20% of the POWER and 20% of the ENERGY that I used in the above
calculation, therefore photovoltaics
really only provide .00002% of what is required to run the world.
>
> You: John you are so full of yourself that you cannot admit you mistook
capacity for output
Chris, 4 or 5 posts ago it became obvious to me that you are a ignoramus, your
total confusion between power and energy and your bizarre belief that solar
cells are better if they have a 20% conversion factor than if they had a 100%
conversion factor could lead to no other conclusion. However being a ignoramus
is not necessarily a devastating state to be in because sometimes ignorance is
curable; but more recently it became clear that you are also incapable of
learning, or at least learn at such a slow rate it is unmeasurable by me. And
unfortunately at the present day medical science has no cure for stupid.
John K Clark
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