On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Chris de Morsella <[email protected]>wrote:
> > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Telmo Menezes > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 11:38 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Climate models > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Chris de Morsella <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 9, 2014 4:23 PM > *Subject:* Re: Climate models > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Chris de Morsella <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Me: OK I'm going to go over this one more time very slowly and I'll try > not to use too many big words. First let's assume that solar cells work 5 > times better than they really do and the capacity factor is 1 instead of > .2, then worldwide solar cells would produce 1.5*10^11 watts of POWER. And > in one hour PV would produce 1.5*10^11 watt-hours of ENERGY. And in one > year it would produce 365*24 = 8760 times that much or 1.3*10^15 watt-hours > of ENERGY. And now lets see how much POWER would be required to run human > technology, it's 1.5 *10^17 watts of POWER. And to run it for one hour > would require 1.5*10^17 watt-hours of ENERGY. And to run it for one year > would require 365*24 = 8760 times that much or 1.3*10^21 watt-hours of > ENERGY. > > > > John, > > > > Looking here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_consumption > > > > It seems that 1.5 * 10^17 is the total energy consumption of humanity in > watt-hours per year, not the power required. So the power required would be > almost 4 orders of magnitude smaller than what you assume (divide by 8760). > No? > > > > Which is what I have been trying to tell him -- and being called an > ignoramus by him for pointing this out. > > Chris > > > > Hey Chris, > > > > Try to take it lightly! If you look at the archives you'll see it's > nothing personal. > > > > Maybe I'm a bit soft because my cat, that lived 12 years with me, died > recently. As long as we are all here in good health that shit really > doesn't matter. > > > > Best, > > Telmo. > > > > I am sorry to hear about your cat - I know how hard it can be to lose a > loving pet - they become such a part of our lives that when they are gone a > hole is left inside of us that takes time to heal. > > Chris > Thanks Chris! Yes, that's exactly how it feels. Telmo. > > > > > Telmo. > > > > Now let's work on findings percentages. A percentage is a pure number with > no units and ENERGY and POWER have different units, so you can't divide > ENERGY by POWER as you did and expect to get anything meaningful, but you > can divide POWER by POWER and if you divide 1.5*10^11 watts of POWER by 1.5 > *10^17 watts of POWER you get the pure number .000001. Or you could divide > the amount of ENERGY solar cells produce in one hour, 1.5*10^11 watt-hours > by the amount of ENERGY required to operate technology for one hour > 1.5*10^17 watt-hours of ENERGY, and we still get the pure number .000001. > Or you could divide the amount of ENERGY solar cells produce in one year, > 1.3*10^15 watt-hours of ENERGY, by the amount of ENERGY required to operate > technology for one year, 1.3*10^21 watt-hours of ENERGY, and we STILL get > the pure number .000001 And that is why I originally said photovoltaics > provide .0001% of demand. However you said that in the real world solar > cells are much worse than that and the capacity factor is not 1 but is .2, > and that seems about right to me, so they only produce 20% of the POWER and > 20% of the ENERGY that I used in the above calculation, therefore > photovoltaics really only provide .00002% of what is required to run the > world. > > > > > You: John you are so full of yourself that you cannot admit you > mistook capacity for output > > > Chris, 4 or 5 posts ago it became obvious to me that you are a ignoramus, > your total confusion between power and energy and your bizarre belief that > solar cells are better if they have a 20% conversion factor than if they > had a 100% conversion factor could lead to no other conclusion. However > being a ignoramus is not necessarily a devastating state to be in because > sometimes ignorance is curable; but more recently it became clear that you > are also incapable of learning, or at least learn at such a slow rate it is > unmeasurable by me. And unfortunately at the present day medical science > has no cure for stupid. > > John K Clark > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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