It's just that we simply cannot read one's soul, but can judge behavior. The Christians, for example, not so long ago performed imperialist violence, for stated national interests, but the Churches never objected to this. So, judgmentally, we can say that the behavior of the religious, in Europe was useless, or approving, of their government's behavior. Behaviorally, again, they were malefactors, if you needed a non-Islamic example. Right now, to this hour, there is no opposition to Jihadist actions from amongst the Ummah. Perhaps it will happen soon? Perhaps centuries in arrival. Nobody is marching in the streets, amongst the faithful, in opposing the great Jihad in the attempt to restore the Caliphate, to impose shariah. The faithful are either uncaring, fatalistic, fearful of retribution, or support the jihad. Yes, there are always fanatics within religions, but now it's only one that has set their sites on the world. It's a real problem and not a false complaint or accusation.
-----Original Message----- From: Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sat, Apr 19, 2014 11:15 pm Subject: Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate. Chris, I was replying to Spudboy100 who refuses to consider the Quran because of the 'jihadis' 'behavoir' . The point I was trying to make is that some people, from all religious persuasions, do strange and at times horrible things. We need to look past people and their behaviours, and examine the religious texts to evaluate for ourselves what it is. We are all responsible for our own beliefs and actions. We come to this world alone, we will leave it alone. What religious label we are born in, which religious label or not we choose, eventually we all must face death alone, and whatever's beyond that. Wishing it away because some people are poor ambassadors or poor communicators of the message, won't change things according to our wishes. We humans have intelligence and a vast wondrous world full of thoughts and ideas and science and signs... we must explore everything we can for its own merit before discarding it. On this Everything list, I see earnest seekers exploring almost everything, but somehow they stop short of scripture, especially Quran. I understand much of this has to do with a filtered view of history, long-held prejudices, popular media, as well as the actions of people who poorly understand or use the religion, etc. The thing is, to understand everything, we must be willing to explore everything. To answer your question, you may find these versions of history different from what you may know about Muslim conquests: http://lostislamichistory.com/did-islam-spread-by-the-sword/ http://lostislamichistory.com/?s=crusades http://lostislamichistory.com/the-crusades-part-3-liberation/ Samiya On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com> wrote: Samiya – Has Islam never participated in perpetrating violence against others; in conquest? Islam is as guilty as the other Abrahamic faiths, as an agent of violence in human history. Chris From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Samiya Illias Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 9:57 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate. People do many strange and horrid things in the name of religion or nation or some other pretext. Violence has been perpetrated by the Crusaders, by the Nazis, by the Buddhists in Bhutan, by the Hindus in the Kashmir, Babri Masjid, by the Jews in Palestine, the Soviets in Afghanistan, the US and Allies in Iraq, and the list goes on... One must look beyond the people and evaluate religions for their message. Samiya spudboy100 wrote: Well, I am more focused on human behavior, and what happens to humans in this world. If such a spiritual intoxication leads to an ecstatic, plunge into violence, a "holy" violence, then a reasoning person may pause, and ponder what is lost, what is gained, and what is the damage done? Rather than focus on the internal realm of self, I concentrate, for now, on behavior. On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 9:26 PM, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote: Well, I am more focused on human behavior, and what happens to humans in this world. If such a spiritual intoxication leads to an ecstatic, plunge into violence, a "holy" violence, then a reasoning person may pause, and ponder what is lost, what is gained, and what is the damage done? Rather than focus on the internal realm of self, I concentrate, for now, on behavior. There are many 'interesting' things to learn about Islam only if one is willing to look beyond the prejudices. The more one studies and contemplates on the Quran and the world, the more one falls in love with God. It is intoxicating, it's an amazing feeling! -----Original Message----- From: Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sat, Apr 19, 2014 11:10 am Subject: Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate. There are many 'interesting' things to learn about Islam only if one is willing to look beyond the prejudices. The more one studies and contemplates on the Quran and the world, the more one falls in love with God. It is intoxicating, it's an amazing feeling! Samiya On 19-Apr-2014, at 6:12 pm, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Interesting, however, religion itself can an intoxicant, with the promise of paradise with many, many, willing females, and wine is permitted, and eternal life, if one merely, throws caution to wind and becomes a shaheed. What are a few years in this valley of tears, compared to paradise? An intoxicant indeed for the faithful. In Islam, consumption of intoxicants are discouraged. The arabic word used for intoxicants, in the Quran, is al-khamr. The root alphabets of the word are kh-m-r which means to cover or hide something. Intoxicants, it implies, cover the intellect, and thus are discouraged -----Original Message----- From: Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sat, Apr 19, 2014 2:42 am Subject: Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate. The harmful effects of the consumption of intoxicants for the individual and its consequent effects on society are observable. The bans are in thus in the larger interest. However, if cannabis and other drugs have some medicinal benefits, then the research should continue to find the correct, beneficial use of them, as well as the side-effects. In Islam, consumption of intoxicants are discouraged. The arabic word used for intoxicants, in the Quran, is al-khamr. The root alphabets of the word are kh-m-r which means to cover or hide something. Intoxicants, it implies, cover the intellect, and thus are discouraged. It is explained: [Quran 2:219] They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit... The word used for sin also means frustration; tiredness; laziness. Thus, I gather, both mind and body eventually suffer from the harmful effects of the intoxicant, and thus the negatives far outweigh the benefits. Initially, the believers were advised to pray when in a clear state of mind, and not when under the influence of intoxicants: : [Quran 4:43] O you who believe! do not go near prayer when you are Intoxicated until you know (well) what you say,... Gradually, they were exhorted to refrain from it altogether: [Quran 5:90] O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper. References: [Quran 2:219] http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display_all.php?chapter=2&from_verse=218&to_verse=220&mac=&translation_setting=1&show_yusufali=1&show_shakir=1&show_pickthal=1&show_mkhan=1&show_urdu=1 [Quran 4:43] http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display_all.php?chapter=4&from_verse=42&to_verse=44&mac=&translation_setting=1&show_yusufali=1&show_shakir=1&show_pickthal=1&show_mkhan=1&show_urdu=1 [Quran 5:90] http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display_all.php?chapter=5&from_verse=89&to_verse=92&mac=&translation_setting=1&show_yusufali=1&show_shakir=1&show_pickthal=1&show_mkhan=1&show_urdu=1 Samiya On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 3:52 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: On 4/18/2014 7:13 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: What society thinks has nothing to do with it, because weak correlation-based scientific evidence is used selectively to create laws that were desired a priori by some interest group. That implies some nefarious motive and corrupt use of data known to be wrong. In fact there was no nefarious 'interest group' that wanted to ban marijuana or to ban alcohol or to ban heroin. All these bans were initiated by people who believed in the ill effects of these substances for individuals and for society. In many cases they had personal experience. That the bans may have given rise to criminal activities to circumvent them, isn't to the point of their origin. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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