On 4/26/2014 4:25 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 1:07 AM, meekerdb <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 4/26/2014 1:43 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Nice to see buddhism and taoism there, but where is (strong)
atheism/materialism? Hmm.... :)
The graph says v1.1, so maybe you can issue a bug report :)
Where would you say it branches from, in that tree?
I would say from the greeks, and then in some growing percentage of the
abramanic
religions. (But it certainly occurs also elsewhere, like notably in some
branch of
Hinduism and Buddhism).
To complete the tree you would need to start further down (a tap root?)
where
science, magic, and religion were all the same thing. Modern atheism,
since the
Elightenment is mainly an embrace of science and a rejection of the
revelatory
religion and so would branch off around Galileo. Magic is still around and
connects
to Voodoo and some other "religions" that use ritual to control "the gods",
but
science has been even more corrosive of magic than religion. It just works
a lot
better.
There is the atheist/agnostic position, that I share, that rejects deities -- or find as
much reason to believe in them as in any other unfalsifiable claim. But then there are
atheists that have strong believes that feel religious again. One example is the strong
belief that consciousness is a byproduct of matter. This is a common belief nowadays. To
be fair, it seems to be a belief "by default" by educated people.
Wouldn't you say there's more evidence for that than the contrary?
Brent
I have confronted some friends with the implications of this belief and they seem to
change easily to "I don't know" when thinking more deeply about it. But other people are
strongly attached to it.
Telmo.
Brent
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